Law School Rankings - 2021

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Rank Name % w/ debt Avg. debt LSAT 50th GPA 50th Peer r. Legal r. Accept. Employ. JD+ employ. Bar pass Student-faculty
1 Yale University 66.2% $135,680 173 3.94 4.8% 4.7% 7.0% 94.5% 83.41% 124.4% 4.4
16 University of Texas at Austin 59.3% $113,386 168 3.76 4.1% 4.3% 18.0% 87.9% 87.88% 121.0% 6.0
29 Boston College 63.0% $114,838 164 3.69 3.4% 3.8% 32.0% 69.5% 88.26% 112.93% 6.4
50 University of California (Hastings) 74.4% $127,868 158 3.42 3.2% 3.6% 39.0% 48.0% 75.73% 113.91% 8.1
70 University of Kansas 73.5% $84,646 157 3.66 2.7% 3.2% 60.0% 59.8% 86.27% 102.89% 7.3
91 Rutgers University (merged) 75.3% $62,210 156 3.31 2.7% 2.9% 44.0% 72.4% 74.53% 96.01% 8.4
111 Indiana University - Indianapolis 77.4% $97,756 154 3.45 2.5% 2.8% 56.0% 39.8% 77.78% 92.9% 9.1
129 University of Baltimore 153 3.32 55.0% 73.23% 94.53%
147 Ave Maria School Of Law 151 3.37 52.0% 46.97% 78.88%
147 Florida A&M University 147 3.3 34.0% 53.49% 81.99%
147 Northern Illinois University 149 3.2 59.0% 84.34% 106.23%
147 Widener University—Delaware 149 3.22 63.0% 68.27% 73.76%
2 Stanford University 60.8% $146,235 171 3.89 4.8% 4.9% 10.0% 93.6% 90.11% 128.2% 4.4
16 Washington University in St. Louis 63.3% $92,504 169 3.88 3.7% 3.9% 20.0% 88.0% 91.91% 113.25% 4.6
29 University of Illinois—Urbana Champaign 65.1% $80,134 162 3.64 3.2% 3.4% 43.0% 73.9% 94.26% 123.76% 5.0
52 Southern Methodist University 56.4% $140,241 162 3.73 2.7% 3.2% 41.0% 71.5% 89.09% 111.94% 8.5
72 Loyola Marymount University—Los Angeles 73.7% $152,667 160 3.59 2.8% 3.2% 36.0% 48.0% 80.06% 112.34% 9.2
91 Illinois Institute of Technology (Kent) 72.1% $100,593 158 3.48 2.6% 2.8% 47.0% 56.9% 78.88% 107.32% 7.6
111 Stetson University 155 3.44 52.0% 79.76% 108.89%
129 Suffolk University 154 3.44 69.0% 77.7% 82.95%
147 Barry University 148 3.02 59.0% 52.17% 80.17%
147 Florida Coastal School Of Law 149 3.12 46.0% 65.15% 85.85%
147 Northern Kentucky University 152 3.19 65.0% 75.86% 84.57%
3 Harvard University 69.5% $170,866 173 3.88 4.8% 4.8% 13.0% 96.3% 91.99% 125.21% 7.1
16 Vanderbilt University 61.5% $143,293 167 3.82 4.0% 4.1% 23.0% 85.7% 92.34% 121.85% 6.6
29 Brigham Young University 65.7% $51,048 166 3.82 2.9% 3.3% 37.0% 82.2% 83.33% 112.01% 5.7
53 Yeshiva University (Cardozo) 57.3% $112,474 162 3.65 2.9% 3.1% 38.0% 53.1% 85.05% 101.46% 6.0
72 University of Miami 67.8% $140,595 159 3.53 2.9% 3.3% 51.0% 53.8% 78.22% 109.26% 6.4
91 Saint Louis University 79.7% $102,442 155 3.45 2.4% 2.7% 62.0% 72.2% 90.85% 107.52% 6.3
111 University of Tulsa 155 3.38 60.0% 88.64% 102.85%
129 University of Toledo 152 3.43 66.0% 80.0% 103.9%
147 California Western School Of Law 152 3.24 53.0% 61.79% 70.95%
147 Golden Gate University 150 3.02 55.0% 48.6% 62.43%
147 Nova Southeastern University 152 3.19 47.0% 66.37% 92.73%
4 University of Chicago 61.4% $191,117 171 3.89 4.6% 4.7% 18.0% 97.7% 94.55% 126.38% 5.2
19 University of Southern California 64.6% $140,773 167 3.83 3.6% 3.8% 17.0% 86.6% 90.18% 125.22% 6.7
29 University of Wisconsin 75.7% $71,467 163 3.61 3.4% 3.6% 42.0% 75.7% 93.55% 129.89% 7.4
53 University of Richmond 70.7% $114,514 161 3.62 2.8% 3.0% 44.0% 64.8% 81.67% 105.92% 4.8
72 St. John's University 66.3% $123,646 160 3.62 2.4% 2.9% 41.0% 68.2% 90.99% 104.37% 7.9
91 Michigan State University 78.1% $98,421 156 3.56 2.5% 3.0% 59.0% 51.2% 79.74% 105.74% 8.7
111 DePaul University 155 3.41 50.0% 79.81% 93.07%
134 Chapman University 159 3.52 33.0% 74.85% 85.75%
147 Campbell University 152 3.37 63.0% 78.57% 114.59%
147 Liberty University 151 3.4 55.0% 84.31% 119.09%
147 Ohio Northern University 150 3.26 50.0% 82.98% 111.71%
4 Columbia University 65.7% $190,141 172 3.82 4.7% 4.7% 17.0% 98.9% 97.22% 116.73% 5.2
20 Boston University 63.4% $104,584 167 3.8 3.5% 3.6% 25.0% 78.6% 89.68% 113.46% 6.1
35 University of California—Irvine 69.2% $131,786 166 3.61 3.6% 3.5% 20.0% 68.7% 81.56% 116.85% 5.6
53 Temple University 72.9% $86,344 161 3.57 3.8% 3.0% 36.0% 64.4% 90.74% 106.36% 6.6
72 Case Western Reserve University 66.3% $123,646 159 3.5 2.4% 2.9% 47.0% 68.2% 77.62% 103.17% 7.9
91 Howard University 88.0% $109,826 153 3.41 3.0% 3.1% 34.0% 54.9% 78.2% 88.96% 8.6
111 University of Missouri—Kansas City 153 3.43 55.0% 88.41% 101.23%
134 University of Montana 156 3.44 60.0% 77.46% 97.01%
147 Capital University 150 3.21 76.0% 67.33% 92.93%
147 Oklahoma City University 147 3.32 63.0% 72.87% 79.29%
6 New York University 57.7% $174,780 170 3.82 4.6% 4.5% 22.0% 95.6% 89.88% 116.34% 5.8
21 University of Florida (Levin) 65.2% $65,528 165 3.84 3.3% 3.6% 20.0% 79.5% 91.24% 122.55% 5.7
35 Fordham University 60.5% $140,184 164 3.64 3.4% 3.6% 27.0% 74.9% 87.7% 107.04% 6.7
41 George Mason University 64.2% $78,719 164 3.77 2.7% 3.1% 23.0% 75.8% 87.57% 117.09% 4.1
53 Texas A&M University 73.8% $82,886 160 3.76 2.7% 2.7% 22.0% 58.8% 92.31% 116.78% 5.9
60 University of Houston 67.2% $91,014 160 3.57 2.8% 3.0% 34.0% 56.4% 80.95% 110.21% 5.5
72 Wayne State University 67.6% $67,832 159 3.65 2.3% 2.7% 37.0% 61.2% 83.46% 115.54% 6.7
81 University of Kentucky 81.1% $80,368 155 3.54 2.5% 3.0% 61.0% 66.9% 92.64% 98.05% 7.5
96 University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 79.5% $68,877 155 3.61 2.4% 2.6% 54.0% 36.8% 76.92% 103.94% 6.7
98 University of Buffalo—SUNY 77.8% $89,628 155 3.52 2.3% 2.8% 45.0% 55.6% 80.14% 85.63% 5.6
116 Cleveland State University 153 3.35 47.0% 80.68% 95.21%
119 New York Law School 153 3.47 52.0% 87.5% 90.64%
134 Belmont University 156 3.6 39.0% 85.37% 119.48%
141 Creighton University 152 3.25 63.0% 75.0% 89.32%
147 Charleston School Of Law 150 3.2 55.0% 55.67% 66.64%
147 Regent University 155 3.45 51.0% 82.61% 107.3%
6 University of Pennsylvania 62.4% $163,383 170 3.89 4.4% 4.5% 14.0% 95.4% 94.8% 121.81% 4.7
22 University of Minnesota 65.2% $95,274 165 3.77 3.6% 3.6% 36.0% 84.8% 92.41% 116.86% 6.0
35 Washington and Lee University 70.8% $98,982 163 3.63 3.1% 3.7% 37.0% 77.3% 92.73% 116.53% 7.3
41 Wake Forest University 70.4% $99,277 163 3.73 3.1% 3.5% 18.0% 74.9% 90.06% 114.13% 7.4
53 Villanova University 64.3% $92,477 160 3.63 2.6% 3.3% 30.0% 80.0% 93.84% 112.44% 7.5
60 Pennsylvania State - Penn State Law 75.4% $83,475 160 3.72 2.6% 2.9% 38.0% 55.6% 80.42% 110.14% 7.1
72 University of Oregon 80.5% $97,999 157 3.48 2.8% 3.0% 60.0% 49.2% 84.38% 108.49% 8.5
81 American University 76.4% $159,723 160 3.51 3.0% 3.1% 36.0% 49.6% 74.69% 100.13% 7.4
96 University of South Carolina 75.6% $107,610 156 3.5 2.5% 2.9% 47.0% 53.9% 78.54% 107.83% 8.3
102 University of New Mexico 155 3.5 46.0% 70.18% 107.33%
116 West Virginia University 154 3.45 63.0% 73.53% 90.93%
119 University of Wyoming 153 3.4 57.0% 82.86% 100.61%
134 University of Akron 153 3.34 53.0% 82.17% 101.58%
141 University of Arkansas, Little Rock 151 3.41 50.0% 71.07% 91.96%
147 University of Detroit Mercy 152 3.24 54.0% 78.03% 85.72%
147 Roger Williams University 149 3.21 65.0% 65.67% 80.1%
8 University of Virginia 61.0% $165,911 170 3.9 4.4% 4.5% 14.0% 95.6% 95.45% 123.3% 7.1
22 University of Notre Dame 75.5% $128,653 167 3.75 3.5% 4.0% 20.0% 81.4% 88.6% 119.12% 7.3
35 William & Mary Law School 63.4% $91,816 163 3.6 3.4% 3.8% 42.0% 67.0% 91.74% 117.26% 6.9
43 Indiana University - Bloomington 68.8% $96,220 162 3.78 3.3% 3.5% 43.0% 63.2% 83.52% 116.85% 7.0
58 Baylor University 72.7% $152,209 160 3.63 2.5% 3.3% 34.0% 66.5% 92.91% 116.86% 6.6
60 University of Nevada—Las Vegas 70.0% $83,715 159 3.67 2.7% 2.5% 31.0% 71.3% 85.12% 108.18% 7.0
78 Loyola University—Chicago 67.7% $108,960 159 3.41 2.6% 3.1% 44.0% 57.8% 84.26% 115.14% 5.3
81 Brooklyn Law School 68.0% $110,832 158 3.44 2.7% 2.9% 49.0% 58.5% 83.18% 98.37% 9.1
98 University of Hawaii 66.7% $89,242 154 3.42 2.6% 2.5% 40.0% 61.6% 75.9% 89.7% 4.5
102 Marquette University 154 3.5 51.0% 81.22% 129.14%
116 Albany Law School Of Union University 154 3.4 51.0% 81.62% 91.04%
119 University of Dayton 152 3.48 36.0% 83.33% 107.02%
134 University of South Dakota 149 3.56 64.0% 80.0% 94.7%
141 University of the Pacific (Mcgeorge) 154 3.4 56.0% 76.47% 94.1%
147 University of the District of Columbia 150 3.09 33.0% 56.92% 51.27%
147 University of San Francisco 153 3.32 49.0% 49.58% 55.78%
9 University of California—Berkeley 69.5% $139,251 168 3.81 4.5% 4.5% 22.0% 93.5% 92.07% 125.72% 6.1
24 University of North Carolina 63.8% $92,731 163 3.68 3.5% 3.8% 22.0% 68.7% 91.26% 117.31% 7.3
35 University of California—Davis 57.0% $114,895 163 3.72 3.5% 3.5% 33.0% 71.5% 83.12% 120.64% 9.1
43 University of Utah 84.8% $76,344 161 3.77 3.0% 3.2% 33.0% 75.3% 89.41% 107.5% 4.4
58 University of Connecticut 67.1% $89,211 158 3.53 2.9% 3.0% 45.0% 69.5% 82.86% 108.01% 5.9
60 Pennsylvania State - Dickinson Law 60.3% $54,503 160 3.39 2.5% 2.8% 39.0% 59.2% 91.23% 104.72% 6.0
78 University of Denver 73.8% $160,006 159 3.55 2.8% 3.0% 51.0% 59.7% 79.84% 105.44% 6.5
81 University of Cincinnati 71.3% $166,163 158 3.65 2.4% 2.8% 51.0% 54.2% 80.99% 107.58% 6.3
98 University of Louisville 78.4% $96,920 155 3.63 2.2% 2.7% 49.0% 69.9% 86.11% 99.12% 9.0
102 Drake University 155 3.46 69.0% 87.5% 102.8%
119 Hofstra University 154 3.37 46.0% 82.94% 69.71%
124 University of Maine 156 3.51 46.0% 73.68% 100.48%
139 University of Idaho 153 3.24 67.0% 72.92% 94.18%
144 Loyola University—New Orleans 151 3.32 64.0% 73.65% 87.29%
147 Elon University 150 3.3 46.0% 78.64% 89.91%
147 South Texas College Of Law—Houston 152 3.17 46.0% 72.52% 99.03%
10 University of Michigan 73.5% $129,791 169 3.76 4.4% 4.5% 16.0% 93.0% 93.49% 123.59% 7.2
25 Arizona State University 68.1% $93,824 165 3.83 3.3% 3.2% 26.0% 79.1% 89.01% 116.88% 5.5
40 Ohio State University 70.7% $89,946 161 3.79 3.3% 3.5% 35.0% 86.3% 86.31% 108.7% 6.3
45 University of Washington 67.3% $108,725 162 3.68 3.3% 3.5% 35.0% 62.1% 85.35% 111.31% 5.8
60 Tulane University 70.8% $140,964 159 3.54 3.2% 3.4% 53.0% 55.6% 77.71% 99.23% 7.0
60 University of Missouri 70.2% $71,073 158 3.66 2.5% 2.9% 55.0% 64.6% 82.61% 108.88% 7.0
78 Georgia State University 73.0% $76,978 158 3.52 2.8% 2.7% 29.0% 56.3% 81.09% 131.84% 6.3
81 Drexel University 70.2% $72,407 156 3.56 2.4% 2.7% 43.0% 61.9% 88.81% 97.73% 6.1
98 University of Mississippi 69.0% $71,333 156 3.51 2.3% 2.8% 42.0% 49.4% 81.31% 96.67% 10.0
102 CUNY 154 3.45 35.0% 80.36% 89.88%
119 Duquesne University 154 3.41 57.0% 86.24% 108.58%
124 Mercer University 153 3.41 45.0% 86.05% 121.3%
139 Pace University 151 3.33 51.0% 85.41% 89.36%
144 University of Memphis 153 3.33 47.0% 73.56% 99.33%
147 Southern Illinois University—Carbondale 150 3.29 50.0% 66.67% 76.65%
10 Duke University 65.4% $153,276 169 3.8 4.2% 4.4% 22.0% 93.6% 95.48% 123.7% 5.2
25 University of Alabama 61.4% $64,271 164 3.94 3.3% 3.3% 36.0% 77.9% 89.47% 114.6% 5.8
46 University of Arizona 58.9% $67,014 163 3.56 3.2% 2.9% 28.0% 65.7% 81.82% 89.53% 4.5
60 University of Tennessee 70.3% $73,092 159 3.63 2.6% 3.0% 33.0% 55.1% 86.73% 106.28% 6.4
86 University of San Diego 71.5% $140,294 159 3.65 2.8% 2.9% 39.0% 49.6% 74.86% 109.44% 8.1
102 Catholic University Of America 156 3.4 42.0% 80.58% 108.23%
126 Santa Clara University 156 3.34 55.0% 67.77% 93.0%
144 Samford University 152 3.49 68.0% 82.71% 99.16%
147 Mississippi College 148 3.22 70.0% 59.32% 77.5%
147 Southern University 144 2.98 62.0% 57.42% 85.36%
147 Touro College 149 3.07 50.0% 77.88% 76.3%
12 Northwestern University 65.6% $154,844 169 3.85 4.2% 4.4% 19.0% 93.1% 95.83% 120.93% 4.5
27 George Washington University 68.1% $154,992 166 3.76 3.5% 3.7% 34.0% 64.1% 84.29% 116.81% 7.0
46 Pepperdine University 70.5% $143,901 162 3.68 2.7% 3.2% 28.0% 84.3% 83.71% 117.46% 6.5
67 Northeastern University 77.9% $79,454 162 3.65 2.6% 2.9% 36.0% 52.0% 84.98% 106.79% 8.4
87 University of Nebraska 77.9% $63,027 156 3.63 2.5% 2.8% 66.0% 65.0% 87.18% 107.74% 8.4
102 Syracuse University 155 3.53 39.0% 74.86% 102.59%
126 University of St. Thomas (Minnesota) 154 3.51 69.0% 83.21% 100.81%
147 John Marshall Law School 151 3.27 57.0% 67.1% 79.58%
147 Mitchell Hamline 152 3.24 58.0% 72.97% 86.98%
147 Southwestern Law School 153 3.25 47.0% 64.5% 81.45%
147 University of Massachusetts Dartmouth 149 3.27 56.0% 69.57% 77.05%
13 Cornell University 60.4% $150,089 168 3.86 4.3% 4.3% 19.0% 90.5% 88.66% 114.42% 5.0
27 University of Georgia 66.5% $75,568 165 3.78 3.3% 3.5% 19.0% 81.8% 92.82% 135.38% 7.7
48 University of Colorado—Boulder 74.6% $103,795 163 3.65 3.2% 3.2% 37.0% 67.0% 84.62% 114.32% 6.4
67 University of Oklahoma 63.8% $79,755 157 3.63 2.6% 3.0% 54.0% 57.0% 92.53% 111.37% 10.0
88 University of New Hampshire 80.6% $74,092 156 3.46 2.1% 2.7% 57.0% 66.0% 83.61% 120.59% 5.1
102 Texas Tech University 156 3.56 37.0% 82.22% 106.29%
126 Seattle University 155 3.39 60.0% 69.78% 94.38%
147 Vermont Law School 152 3.19 65.0% 66.1% 64.04%
147 New England Law | Boston 152 3.27 71.0% 65.75% 86.24%
147 St. Mary's University 151 3.2 58.0% 72.86% 90.09%
147 Western Michigan University (Cooley) 147 2.94 44.0% 49.47% 50.93%
14 University of California—Los Angeles 67.9% $125,167 169 3.79 4.1% 4.2% 23.0% 83.2% 91.17% 126.11% 5.9
29 Emory University 62.1% $128,635 166 3.8 3.6% 3.9% 32.0% 69.5% 80.07% 115.0% 7.2
48 Florida State University 74.6% $63,773 161 3.72 3.1% 3.0% 30.0% 60.3% 85.88% 122.51% 7.3
67 University of Pittsburgh 80.3% $104,255 159 3.51 2.7% 3.1% 42.0% 50.2% 85.83% 105.09% 5.3
88 Florida International University 74.0% $90,946 158 3.65 2.1% 2.4% 27.0% 47.1% 88.81% 133.69% 8.1
109 Louisiana State University 155 3.45 52.0% 84.39% 111.11%
129 Gonzaga University 153 3.43 59.0% 72.9% 99.83%
147 Willamette University 152 3.07 64.0% 77.01% 103.19%
147 North Carolina Central University 145 3.24 44.0% 62.39% 96.94%
147 St. Thomas University (Florida) 150 3.23 52.0% 63.64% 94.02%
147 Western New England University 148 3.27 60.0% 59.26% 80.62%
15 Georgetown University 62.2% $163,977 168 3.78 4.2% 4.3% 20.0% 82.6% 85.76% 120.37% 4.8
29 University of Iowa 74.4% $94,846 161 3.64 3.3% 3.6% 60.0% 70.7% 93.57% 117.17% 7.3
50 University of Maryland 61.4% $123,144 160 3.66 3.0% 3.0% 36.0% 68.4% 87.56% 111.69% 6.2
70 Seton Hall University 68.7% $128,806 158 3.55 2.5% 2.9% 46.0% 86.1% 90.71% 117.47% 7.6
88 Lewis And Clark College 75.9% $141,497 158 3.49 2.5% 3.0% 61.0% 52.2% 83.33% 101.8% 7.5
109 Washburn University 155 3.39 51.0% 83.33% 97.9%
129 Quinnipiac University 152 3.46 60.0% 77.78% 98.62%
147 Appalachian School of Law 147 3.17 45.0% 51.61% 62.18%
147 University of North Dakota 148 3.34 66.0% 67.59% 99.57%
147 Texas Southern University 148 3.17 30.0% 57.8% 72.05%
147 Western State College Of Law 150 3.14 43.0% 57.55% 81.52%
A rank of 147 means that the school is not ranked by U.S. News & World Report.
* The data in this table is user-reported and may be inaccurate.
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ReverseSplitterDreaming
17:38
Is there any reason why an RD applicant would go UR after me but get a decision before me?
ReverseSplitterDreaming
17:50
I'm also RD
sheare
17:58
Who knows? The ad comms are juggling so many apps around, and that renders the UR indicators as speculative at best
CravenSkinnyHavanese
18:36
what does ur mean
CravenSkinnyHavanese
18:36
under review?
ReverseSplitterDreaming
18:38
Yeah I'm hoping it's just a "that's just how things happen sometimes"
ReverseSplitterDreaming
18:38
Yes UR is under review
NaturalKindBarnacle
22:24
anyone got a uchicago status checker yet? mine has no check mark next to the cas report even though it shows as sent on LSAC
WhimsicalComplexTuatara
22:50
Will applying in December put me at disadvantage? I’m considering retaking LSAT 4th time. Have gotten 160 twice and first one was canceled
sheare
7:43
@NaturalKindBarnacle: I would send them a quick email or call.
sheare
7:43
They've been pretty quick about sending received/completed emails
sheare
7:44
@WhimsicalComplexTuatara: Are your practice tests higher? December isn't a bit later than ideal, but one extra point is worth it.
sheare
7:44
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HexagonSquare
12:12
@WhimsicalComplexTuatara: I'm also debating whether to take October or November, I feel like Nov I'd be more prepared but I don't want to apply so late
SecurityMatters
12:22
@NaturalKindBarnacle: Yes, I applied the morning of 02SEP and got a receipt email that afternoon.
SecurityMatters
12:32
For anyone who applied to Minnesota, I emailed their admissions office and they said they're experiencing delays in responding to applications due issues with their new database.
somethingspecial
13:33
Round 2 law school apps let's do this!!!
NaturalKindBarnacle
13:56
@SecurityMatters: and in your status checker did you see all items were checked?
crocluvr19
14:43
should i be worried i havent gotten status checkers from several schools i applied to on 9/10?
SpicyMushyEel
15:01
always take when you're more prepared IMO
SpicyMushyEel
15:01
3-5pts can be the difference between 0 dollars and 100k scholarship
somethingspecial
15:25
from what I'm reading applying in December shouldn't hurt you too much just make sure you have everything else in your app ready to go. Last year I had hangup after hangup and got pushed to apply at the very end of the cycle so I decided to pull my apps and try this year instead
HereticalWarmAntibodies
15:45
anyone else getting the "unknown error" for HLS?
[A] cryptanon
16:27
@HereticalWarmAntibodies: just fixed "unknown error" for HLS
HexagonSquare
17:29
Thanks guys, I'm gonna take in Nov & feel so much better about it
SecurityMatters
6:38
@NaturalKindBarnacle: Yes, all boxes checked and application was marked complete on the 14th
HereticalColdAntibodies
9:39
thanks @cryptanon! Can you make it so that I can leave "first choice school" blank? I don't love that there is no option for "blank" so it is currently sitting on golden gate
HereticalColdAntibodies
9:39
and their super hot night school babes
Petree
10:04
Does anyone know anything about St. John's video interview?
cryptanon
10:08
@HereticalWarmAntibodies: so it wouldn't show up in your profile at all?
abjectchickadee
10:46
@cryptanon: I think a couple schools (I've noticed this w usc and washu) have changed their status checker systems? Like instead of logging via a separate status check username and password, the status checker link takes you to the LSAC login page and you have to log in with your LSAC account
Petree
10:47
@allymcbeal: Hey there! They said that they'd be open October 1st.
abjectchickadee
10:48
idk if anyone else has noticed that change w some schools' status checkers
ponderosa
10:48
yeah I think it's a new thing, kinda interesting. You just login with your LSAC instead of making a dedicated login for the school
ponderosa
10:49
I think its kinda weird though because GWU can't even get it to work lol
abjectchickadee
10:49
have you figured out how to configure it on lsd? i haven't been able to!
ponderosa
10:50
nope but I also haven't really tried so probably not the best data point. I've been doing those ones manually
cryptanon
12:54
@abjectchickadee: thanks for the heads up, i'll update the bots for those schools
NameNotImportant
14:45
Im pretty convinced they made that switch because of these automated checker sites
SpicyMushyEel
15:32
anyone go UR at Chicago
cryptanon
16:12
maybe, but it'd be far easier and more effective to add a captcha to the login page. could just be LSAC trying to improve and streamline the experience
eastcoasthopeful
22:38
im UR @ uchicago @spicymushyeel
blinky07
7:52
thought it was nice to get a fee waiver from tulane, apparently it's waived for everyone
blinky07
7:52
well played
blinky07
7:52
this is like the 3rd school that has sent me those personalized fee waiver emails only for it to be waived for all applicants lmao
Hamotron
11:54
Anyone else have their Wash U interview today?
ReverseSplitterDreaming
13:10
ASU status checker reported a change but the status still is UR. Any reason behind that?
crocluvr19
13:56
im confused... ive been looking at the recent decision list and people are saying they're getting in at UVA and UGA and when I click on their profile it says school year 2021-2022 but some people have their sent dates as sep 4 and then other schools at dec 4... does the 2021-2022 mean last cycle or this cycle?
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
13:59
Some people made mistakes in setting up their cycle apps
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
13:59
2021-2022 is this cycle. Some people just accidentally put in their dates for last cycle this year
crocluvr19
14:02
thank you!
Hamotron
14:08
@ReverseSplitterDreaming: It probably means you went UR2. Did the status date change?
ReverseSplitterDreaming
14:25
Yes it changed to today. I didn’t know
ReverseSplitterDreaming
14:25
Oops. I didn’t know that ASU did UR2!
blinky07
15:05
happened to me too 4 days after I went UR @reversesplitterdreaming
blinky07
15:05
Still UR smh
ReverseSplitterDreaming
15:08
Oh wow so there may still be a bit more waiting
blinky07
15:14
I noticed that it happened to a batch of people
ReverseSplitterDreaming
15:26
Andddddd rejected
blinky07
15:49
oh no
blinky07
15:49
im sorry :(
ReverseSplitterDreaming
15:51
It’s okay. It’s good to have a feeler like this so I can continue to improve my application!
blinky07
15:51
fingers crossed now 🙏
blinky07
16:05
@ReverseSplitterDreaming: did your "file complete" date update on the status checker as well?
Hamotron
16:22
Sorry :(
Lost-In-The-Sauce
18:10
Sorry Mate
GoofyFuturisticFlounder
20:44
What do you guys look for in a law school that makes it a school you want to be at
SpicyMushyEel
21:10
just went UR2 at UVA
SpicyMushyEel
21:15
anyone else?
abjectchickadee
22:58
I went UR2 today too! I'd forgotten the feeling of getting a status update lmao
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
23:33
Me too! Also went UR2 at UVA today.
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
23:34
I just went UR1 on the 13th so I’m a little…concerned but hey, gotta chase those status change highs!
MagnificentBrightHare
6:16
I went UR2 at UVA yesterday too
abjectchickadee
10:35
I went UR1 on the 15th so it seems like Complete-UR1-UR2 moves pretty quickly this early in the cycle
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
10:46
oooh, that's good to hear! I applied in Dec last cycle so things were not moving this quickly haha
songtoaseagull
16:05
is it a good sign if you move quickly to UR2? or does it matteR?
crocluvr19
16:55
What does UR2 mean?
sheare
11:11
@crocluvr19: So when you go to the status checker, there is a status type you'll receive called "Under Review"
sheare
11:11
It'll switch to it when your application is considered complete and undergoing review by the admissions committee
sheare
11:12
And you'll typically get a date associated with the status change. For example, let's say you went UR on 9/16
sheare
11:12
UR2 is when you're still Under Review but the date changes
sheare
11:13
It's speculated to be that your application has moved further along in the review process, went to a second ad comm, is prepared to make a decision soon, etc.
jberg
17:59
is it possible to search by ED or do we have to do that manually?
whyisthelsatsohard
22:10
so i submitted my apps today and am so confused on how to check status and link that to here, like do schools send an email with the log-in?
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
23:13
@whyisthelsatsohard: congrats!! so yes, schools will send you an email with your log-in info. it might take a while for some schools, so don't get worried! i know for example that I think Mich said they wouldn't be sending out status checkers until October
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
23:14
heads up too that some schools don't use status checkers!
abjectchickadee
9:32
ok so I wrote a one-page Why Notre Dame essay but now I'm looking at the instructions (which I should have done earlier) and it says "no more than two pages"
abjectchickadee
9:32
please tell me it won't look bad just to submit the one pager lmao
SpicyMushyEel
9:40
why essays are annoying sometimes
SpicyMushyEel
9:40
why do u want to go here
SpicyMushyEel
9:40
because you guys have good employment stats
SpicyMushyEel
9:40
...
SpicyMushyEel
9:41
but I think 1 page is fine
abjectchickadee
9:43
hopefully they think i'm enthusiastic AND concise
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
10:36
I think 1 pg is totally fine
somethingspecial
12:10
Half the schools say "you have this amount of space but really we LOOOOVE concise writers." so as long as you felt like you got your point across then I wouldn't sweat the 1 pg part
crocluvr19
14:03
has anyone gotten status checkers from fsu, miami, or emory?
blinky07
15:35
nope @crocluvr19
blinky07
15:35
last cycle, they took awhile
HereticalColdAntibodies
16:20
@cryptanon: did you remove the option for "accepted, withdrawn" and "accepted, attending"? I don't see them in the dropdown
mv17
16:52
@crocluvr19: I have from FSU, however it shows my file is still missing materials from LSAC to this day when I submitted my app on the third of this month
blinky07
11:25
hoping for a random tuesday ASU wave
littleleafloaf
12:49
@blinky07: same ;(
abjectchickadee
13:42
Anyone else just get an LSAC forum follow-up email from an NDLS student?
deanzismyhero
20:41
has anyone heard anything from asu?
blinky07
20:43
3-4 people got accepted today according to reddit and lsdata
blinky07
20:43
not me tho smh
blinky07
20:43
fingers crossed soon
letstrythisagain
21:17
anyone else notice their percentile for june 2021 lsat revised down (slightly) or am I imagining things?
blinky07
22:18
yep haha, they all decreased
GeneralHallowedSetter
8:43
Everything 173 and below decreased I believe
SpicyMushyEel
8:56
yea mine went down 1 percentile point
somethingspecial
9:16
is anyone else getting the same email over and over again from utk that says it could take at least 8 weeks I've gotten like 7 of the same email
scottyjetpax
10:59
give penn state wave pls
Hobojoe
11:40
Is there anywhere where one can find the new percentiles? I am curious about where a 170 stands now
Unamused
11:54
@somethingspecial: yeah it's annoying the crap out of me--glad I'm not the only one getting them
UnbiasedCreepyChicken
14:05
@somethingspecial: YES! I have gotten every night at midnight since I applied
somethingspecial
14:49
Maybe I'll respond to the next one and see what they say
somethingspecial
15:03
I emailed them I'll let you know what they say
somethingspecial
17:31
@Unamused: They said they have fixed it now!
somethingspecial
17:31
@UnbiasedCreepyChicken: ^
Lost-In-The-Sauce
7:21
Does a school asking for residency information several weeks after applying indicate anything?
ColesLaw2022
9:31
It means they want to know where you live
ColesLaw2022
9:32
I don't think anything beyond that. Maybe a forgotten form where you were supposed to click non-resident or resident.
CrimsonBuffalo
11:05
Can we get some MFin waves
CrimsonBuffalo
11:05
Downside of applying early in the cycle...waiting forever for decisions.
ColesLaw2022
12:27
I'm trying to make myself patient and not worry till mid-November. ASU spoils us for real.
Nsqui
12:36
submitted ASU two days ago, rest of my apps going out this weekend... so it begins
ColesLaw2022
12:48
Good luck! That's so exciting
blinky07
14:05
ASU UR3?!?!?!?!
blinky07
14:08
this is the third time my asu app went ur
pilkyboids
14:11
People getting UGA acceptances who applied after me is making me think I'm getting donged...
Unamused
14:23
@pilkyboids: It's weird because when I met with an adcom a few weeks ago, they said they wouldn't be making any decisions until like Novemberish. The acceptances might just be extraordinary applicants
blinky07
14:23
I thought so too
blinky07
14:54
omg penn state A tho :')
somethingspecial
14:54
it happen to me for ole miss last cycle I applied late in the cycle and they were already full so they accepted me already for this cycle so it could be situations like that
Unamused
15:09
@blinky07: did Dickinson send you an e-mail yet?
CrimsonBuffalo
15:17
My ASU app just went UR again too
blinky07
15:17
not yet, I'm assuming they'll send one tomorrow honestly
CrimsonBuffalo
15:17
maybe a friday wave?
blinky07
15:17
@Unamused:
blinky07
15:17
@CrimsonBuffalo: i would love that... my asu app went ur THREE TIMES
Unamused
15:29
@blinky07: mine just came through!
Nsqui
15:34
For those who have received unsolicited fee waivers from schools, should those reflect when you first begin the application and it shows the application fee $ amount? Or does the waiver apply at the end when you're checking out?
KWFlyingMonkeys
15:46
@Nsqui: just did one and it showed up when you checked out as $0
KWFlyingMonkeys
15:51
@GoofyFuturisticFlounder: So I started this late last cycle which was not great but I learned a lot watching alot of people do well and alot of people fall flat. First, just like college apps have schools that are a resonable reach, a moderate chance, and fall back schools. Next thing and probably one of my biggest deciding factors was geography. Where I want to end up. (easier to land a job in x state if you are a graduate of a x state school). Look at good or bad reputations of the school. One
Nsqui
15:54
@KWFlyingMonkeys: Sweet, thank you
blinky07
15:54
@Unamused: mine just did too LOL
KWFlyingMonkeys
15:55
One lesson I learned last year, for first time appliers, is to keep all school status checkers the same password when you change it. They will send you a temporary log in and then you change. Somehow since it is all linked through LSAC, if you change one you will not be able to get in the others
ABC2022
16:19
Got the Kira Interview Invite from UT Law as a super reverse splitter...
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
16:19
ayyy congrats!!
ABC2022
16:20
Thanks. Excited :)
SerbianKitty
18:20
Has anyone heard from PennState Dickinson? I wish they were as speedy as ASU :(
blinky07
18:21
They do waves multiple days a week it seems
blinky07
18:22
Also, they don't do UR from what ive heard. Mine went from completed to an acceptance
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
18:35
@SerbianKitty: I heard back in about 2.5 weeks, hang in there! :)
SerbianKitty
18:59
Ooooh! Congrats on your acceptance, Hummingbird!
TryingNotToObsess
19:08
What are your opinions on how many LORs to submit to Michigan? It says they require 1 but encourage 3 - I have 2 recommenders, do we think that is sufficient?
TryingNotToObsess
19:08
I don't really think I could get a third that would say anything different about me
MyGPASucks
23:27
I see that under URM you can specifically select your race and see that Middle East/ North African is an option. Does that mean North Africans get a URM boost?
MyGPASucks
23:28
I see some people getting into schools below both medians as a URM with that option selected. I was under the impression us Arabs are just "white"
sheare
8:09
Interesting. I'm half Arab, and I didn't even bother checking the URM indicator on this site
sheare
8:11
I didn't make it a huge deal on my apps because I had the same impression as you
SpicyMushyEel
8:20
theres no boost, I'm also middle eastern
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
9:42
In at UGA!!
somethingspecial
10:06
*Insert Fireworks* Congrats!! I went there for undergrad :)
Unamused
10:20
@JoyousCeruleanHummingbird: How did they notify you??
SerbianKitty
11:01
@JoyousCeruleanHummingbird: Congrats!!!
CrimsonBuffalo
11:03
Congrats! When did you apply?
CrimsonBuffalo
12:07
Just went UR2 at Cornell 🧐
somethingspecial
13:28
I've done all the apps I planned on but like I suck at the waiting game and keep wanting to impulsively apply to more places
songtoaseagull
13:30
@CrimsonBuffalo: can i ask what your stats are??
blinky07
13:37
asu dong :(
CrimsonBuffalo
13:39
@songtoaseagull: my stats are super low. I think the only thing saving me is I’m an officer in the army, combat vet, non trad student
CrimsonBuffalo
13:39
I fully expect to be rejected from Cornell lol
TryingNotToObsess
13:46
so sorry @blinky07
ColesLaw2022
13:53
UR2 at Berkeley and UPenn. Wish me luck :0
ColesLaw2022
13:53
@CrimsonBuffalo: I expect nothing but acceptances for you. Good luck homie!
CrimsonBuffalo
14:06
@ColesLaw2022: thanks! You too!
songtoaseagull
14:29
@CrimsonBuffalo: thanks! sending good vibes your way
songtoaseagull
14:31
@ColesLaw2022: when did you submit?
NaturalKindBarnacle
15:14
^ wondering the same thing
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
15:55
@Unamused: sorry I’m super late to answer this but my status checker updated at around 9:30 am and then I got an email at around 11! :)
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
15:56
@CrimsonBuffalo: i went complete/UR on sept 20!
ColesLaw2022
16:00
@songtoaseagull: submitted B 9/06 and UP 9/17
eeckert
16:59
Can you message an applicant that you're viewing?
scottyjetpax
18:49
is the quimbee deal still going on
scottyjetpax
18:49
and if you buy it is it for this year or next year lol
Nsqui
12:54
4 apps down
Nsqui
12:54
crankin' away
Honeycomb94
18:07
anyone ever respond to emails for events and thank them to show interest? A school id love to attend sent an email for an event happening but i work and its a 5 hour drive. id go if i could! not sure if this is a no no though as far as the email goes
KWFlyingMonkeys
0:24
@somethingspecial: I do the samething. Waiting makes me nervous and then I think maybe I won't get into my schools so I want to apply to more
Honeycomb94
13:30
@SecurityMatters: I've heard of others a couple weeks ago also not getting an email from uminn
hatylotto
14:08
Literally have all my apps completed and ready to go but I'm too afraid to press send lol
Nsqui
15:27
@hatylotto: I feel that. I spent 4 hours last night and another 4 this morning just staring at my Michigan optional essay because I just couldn't get myself to attach it and be done lmao
SecurityMatters
9:41
@Honeycomb94: I emailed the admissions office, they said they're going to take a while to get everything settled after a database shift, so hopefully they start reaching out soon!
CrimsonBuffalo
10:50
Anyone attending the Cornell virtual open house today?
CrimsonBuffalo
10:50
What do people typically wear to those?
JoyousCeruleanHummingbird
11:30
@CrimsonBuffalo: I went a few weeks ago, I can’t remember whether or not cameras were on for attendees but if they are, a polo/blouse or anything else bus cas is totally appropriate
CrimsonBuffalo
11:37
@JoyousCeruleanHummingbird: awesome. Thank you