BeneficialRat

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Rank	2022-2023	Result	App type	FW	Resident	Schol...	Sent	Sent raw	Received	Received raw	Complete	Complete raw	UR	UR raw	UR2	UR2 raw	II	II raw	Decision	Decision raw
32	Arizona State Univer...	Accepted	RDregular decision			$120,000	Jan 17	2023-01-17											Jan 25	2023-01-25
99	Illinois Institute o...	Accepted	RDregular decision			$135,000	Dec 13	2022-12-13											Jan 27	2023-01-27
45	Indiana University -...	Accepted	RDregular decision			$174,000	Dec 13	2022-12-13											Feb 15	2023-02-15
71	Northeastern University	Accepted	RDregular decision			$150,000	Dec 13	2022-12-13											Feb 15	2023-02-15
10	Northwestern University	Pending	RDregular decision				Dec 13	2022-12-13
60	UCDavis	Accepted	RDregular decision			$129,000	Dec 13	2022-12-13											Mar 02	2023-03-02
43	UIllinois—Urbana Cha...	Accepted	RDregular decision			$135,000	Dec 13	2022-12-13											Mar 02	2023-03-02
35	UIowa	Accepted	RDregular decision			$150,000	Dec 13	2022-12-13											Dec 23	2022-12-23
10	UMichigan	Rejected	RDregular decision				Dec 13	2022-12-13
16	UMinnesota	Waitlisted	RDregular decision				Dec 13	2022-12-13											Jan 23	2023-01-23
40	UWisconsin	Accepted	RDregular decision				Dec 13	2022-12-13											Mar 03	2023-03-03
20	Washington Universit...	Pending	RDregular decision				Dec 13	2022-12-13

General

General chat about the legal profession.

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chag

15:06

never zero, but the odds are always against you on the WL

SuaveCrouton

15:07

@Seagulleagle10: Really low. Basically treat it as a soft R and if you get an A its a pleasant surprise

SuaveCrouton

15:08

Also depends on schools, some have more WL movement than others and some (like GULC or Vandy) will have gigantic waitlists where a majority of the people on it have no chance of getting an A

Seagulleagle10

15:09

@SuaveCrouton: it's vandy haha but also ik the waitlist is huge so I'm just gonna stay hopeful but know it's probably not gonna happen but it's my top school so hurts like heck.

SuaveCrouton

15:09

@Seagulleagle10: I'm waitlisted there as well with a 162 and 3.0 and I know I have basically 0 chance of getting off it

Seagulleagle10

15:10

Do you know if there is a reason why they choose to have such a large waitlist?

DaBurgHamblerer

15:11

think i will find a more substantive answer on reddit, but is there a real functional difference between chances at clerking coming from UVA v Columbia? I know the odds are tough either way, but i'd really like the option to do so if i perform well in class...

pug

15:11

its to psychologically torture people

GloveDontSplitUMustAcquit

15:11

seagull i will pray for u homie but its looking bleak

SuaveCrouton

15:12

@Seagulleagle10: I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out what benefit they get from waitlisting practically everyone

SuaveCrouton

15:12

I think the only people that got Vandy R's had some serious C&F issues or something

Mountaineer99

15:12

it's just a soft rejection in a lot of cases

legendarytempest

15:13

@DaBurgHamblerer: could you compare what type of clerking they do, like appelate vs lower court to see difference between teh schools

Mountaineer99

15:13

they didn't hate you but didn't like you enough to give a spot

Seagulleagle10

15:14

yeah I haven't been able to figure out why they do it either but oh well best of luck to whoever manages to get off ik there are a lot of qualified candidates

SuaveCrouton

15:14

Yeah but you'd think they'd give people way below both medians the boot, instead they just waitlist us too.

Seagulleagle10

15:14

@GloveDontSplitUMustAcquit: appreciate the prayers homie haha

DaBurgHamblerer

15:15

a good idea, but not sure that info is necessarily wholly available (i.e. anything i find is likely to be largely incomplete)

DaBurgHamblerer

15:17

add to that the noise surrounding NY fed judges' clerk hiring practices (usually have to have worked first, which distorts the data massively) and it's very hard to compare

Seagulleagle10

15:20

@GloveDontSplitUMustAcquit: Maybe given their median and top 25 percentile are both 170 and 3.9+ gp, while their bottom 25% are 163 and 3.6 gpa means that they look for qualified candidates that are willing to go 100% to vandy if accepted.

Seagulleagle10

15:20

idk but based on the stats maybe that's why they waitlist so many people idk

SuaveCrouton

15:21

Vandy has a low yield % because a lot of T-14 applicants use them as a backup, then withdraw when they get into a T-14. Still doesn't explain why they waitlist people wayyyyy below both medians

jb2028

15:22

The 75th percentile is close to the median because it does nothing for a school's ranking, so for schools outside the T3 or T6, admitting "overqualified" applicants (well above median) who require a lot of $ and effort to enroll given their other options is not an efficient way to fill a class or maintain medians

Seagulleagle10

15:23

ah I see thanks for the insight

SuaveCrouton

15:25

https://www.reddit.com/r/lawschooladmissions/comments/u93uly/historical_waitlist_acceptance_rates/

SuaveCrouton

15:26

Vandy seems to have like a 2-3% chance of getting an A off WL

SuaveCrouton

15:26

But also flawed data because many LSD users do not update their waitlists months later

Pandally

15:27

Me sitting over here looking at that W&M WL conversion and hoping I'll be apart of the 31%.

TediousSparrow

15:27

@Pandally: I believe in you!

Seagulleagle10

15:27

So I'm gonna assume maybe 6-7% get off then

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