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soap

18:07

being able to give birth and raise children is not on equal footing is not the same as having systemic political power. having some minute level of influence over their husbands is not significant power either. I am not sure to what power you are referring. Women weren't allowed to own property or credit or vote until relatively incredibly recently; women in the workforce is a fairly new thing in history too. Additionally, women haven't even had bodily autonomy for long -- spousal rape was not illegal until the 90s, and of course you have honor killings, and just take a look at the middle east.

Dkk

18:08

@KnowledgeableRitzyWasp: yeah they fought for responsibility not power.

Dkk

18:08

It was a bad fight.

soap

18:08

What "power" are you referring to?

triplethread

18:08

Dk they literally burned women in Oregon that had cuck husbands or no husbands

windyMagician

18:08

they proposed a tax on single women in Alaska back in the day

Dkk

18:09

@triplethread: yeah other women convincing men that other women are bad? Sounds real patriarchal to me.

Dkk

18:09

Power is hard to define from a political perspective but most would call it influence. If you want to think of it as influence you can.

llama

18:10

power: influencing your will on others or your own affairs.

triplethread

18:10

Sigh this is sooo law school

triplethread

18:10

Let me save this for torts

windyMagician

18:10

i'm just going to repeat what I said earlier: hey ladies, women have more power in society because they get to say no to having sex with me

soap

18:10

If you see power as influence, I still stand by my previous message re: indirect minute influence vs the actual ability to make final decisions

KnowledgeableRitzyWasp

18:11

i think a big disconnect for a lot of men is not feeling like they have power in their own life. so they are not empathetic for the position women are in. but just because you don’t feel much better doesn’t mean they don’t objectively have it worse

Dkk

18:11

@windyMagician: thats not necessarily more power. That could be more responsibility and agency. It really is neutral though.

triplethread

18:11

Next topic on the docket is reverse racism

KnowledgeableRitzyWasp

18:11

@triplethread: let’s run it go go

WalkingAndLooking

18:12

bunch of dorks in this chat

triplethread

18:12

Reverse racism doesn’t exist change my mind

KnowledgeableRitzyWasp

18:12

there was an AA talk in OT

Dkk

18:12

@soap: financial decisions = responsibility. Minute influence = power. You agree with me.

[] texaslawhopefully

18:12

I think that the position dk is arguing for vis a vis history and power dynamics is pretty unsustainable, but is this closer to what you’re talking about dk:

[] texaslawhopefully

18:12

https://www.amazon.com/Adam-Eve-After-Pill-Revolution/dp/1586178229

[] texaslawhopefully

18:12

If you’ve read it

babycat

18:13

if someone calls me an evil harlot for taking birth control again I’m gonna be so pissed

Dkk

18:13

Lol never read it. No idea. However, I do think giving women the pill removed responsibility from men when it comes to who they stick their dick in.

[] texaslawhopefully

18:13

@KnowledgeableRitzyWasp: I think that discussion wasn’t really for or against it. It was about the white admits + AA.

KnowledgeableRitzyWasp

18:14

@texaslawhopefully: :P

soap

18:14

I gotta go work a shift, but I will conclude by saying that men had the power: a woman *could* ask her husband to vote for X or make Y decision, but he didn't have to obey and in fact, because women couldn't own property and the legal system prevented them from being self-sufficient, their words meant little. Ultimately, it was up to what he wanted; she didn't have other alternatives.

[] texaslawhopefully

18:16

@Dkk: here’s the synopsis: https://www.hoover.org/research/has-sexual-revolution-been-good-women-no

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