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outcome-determinative test

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A quick definition of outcome-determinative test:

An outcome-determinative test is a way to decide if a legal issue is important for a case. It looks at how the issue could affect the final decision in the case. This test is used in civil procedure and is part of the Erie doctrine.

A more thorough explanation:

Definition: The outcome-determinative test is a method used in civil procedure to determine whether an issue is substantive or procedural for the purpose of the Erie doctrine. This test examines the potential effect of the issue on the outcome of the litigation.

Example: Let's say a plaintiff files a lawsuit in a state court, and the defendant argues that the case should be dismissed because the court lacks jurisdiction. The outcome-determinative test would be used to determine whether the issue of jurisdiction is substantive or procedural. If the court determines that the issue is substantive, it would apply the law of the state where the lawsuit was filed. If the issue is procedural, the court would apply federal law.

Explanation: This example illustrates how the outcome-determinative test is used to determine whether an issue is substantive or procedural. If the issue of jurisdiction is substantive, it could potentially affect the outcome of the case, and therefore the court would apply state law. If the issue is procedural, it would not affect the outcome of the case, and the court would apply federal law.

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KnowledgeableRitzyWasp
23:12
It’s dumb and sometimes but rarely schools talk about applicants and it can screw you
KnowledgeableRitzyWasp
23:13
Maybe it’s just an LSA urban legend but it’s supposed to be a bad idea
23:13
It makes me upset seeing people recommend that to others like it looks bad on them sure but it also weakens all statements like that cuz then schools have to figure out if everyone is saying that to every school or serious
23:13
The not-dishonest way to say it is "I would immediately accept an offer of admission" (and accept whichever school offers first), but only if you are prepared to do just that without waiting on aid etc.
23:14
Yeah but that’s still a different statement from “this school is my top
I told my school in the LOCI that is immediately go and I’m 100% committed (mainly bc I only applied to one law school)
23:15
The one you said I think is fine but when people just say to every school “you’re my favorite… don’t tell anyone” it’s so icky
I sound like a broken record but- I wrote a why Chicago essay that I loved for my original application and feel that I don’t have much more to add for a LOCI because my circumstances really haven’t changed- I applied this semester so my resume is pretty current
Is it a killer to not write one
KnowledgeableRitzyWasp
23:17
Yes it is incredibly bad not to write an loci if you’re on a waitlist
I do not know. I did not write a Why Chicago for my original application. But I did write a LOCI that I submitted today.
Got it thanks
For nu do u have to do one in addition to Kira?
KnowledgeableRitzyWasp
23:19
Good question, idk
Also don't know.
KnowledgeableRitzyWasp
23:19
Cuz Kira is probably similar to an loci, idk
Btw, did you do the Kira, LateScandalousCaterpillar?
I did the original one and need to do my WL one still lol by tonight
I mean, you got 40 minutes...
Unless you're not on the East Coast?
I don't know time zones factor into it.
It’s central time
Ahhhhhhh...
For Chicago
23:21
@LateScandalousCaterpillar: did you have a page limit for your why UChi? Maybe just treat the LOCI as another page. Point out additional things or go into further detail
23:22
Like if there’s a specific class or program you liked, now talk about the professors that teach that that you hope to interact with or stuff like that maybe?
LuckyDog
23:35
Will Northwestern has more WL movement this year?
23:48
afraid only northwestern admin knows that, and maybe they even don't yet
LuckyDog
23:53
😭
23:54
i just did my Northwestern WL Kira
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