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What is an LLM and how is it different than a JD?

Understanding the Similarities and Differences of the LLM vs JD Degrees
Tags: LLM, JD, understanding jargon
Apr 2, 2023

Table of Contents

  1. Summary
  2. What is a JD
  3. What is an LLM
  4. What makes an LLM vs JD similar?
  5. What makes a JD vs LLM different?
  6. Length
  7. Order
  8. Benefit
  9. Focus
  10. Size

Summary of JD vs LLM:

Definition of JD vs LLM

JD: JD Stands for Juris Doctorate. The typical American law degree. Required to practice law as an attorney in the US.

LLM: LLM stands for Latin Legum Magister. An advanced degree to develop academic expertise in a specific area of law, or for foreign-educated lawyers seeking an education in U.S. law

Purpose of getting a JD vs getting an LLM

JD: To sit for a bar exam and practice law somewhere in the US

LLM: To focus in an area of law. Can help with career improvement/opportunities, and mobility.

Length of JD Program vs LLM Program

JD: Three years of study (full-time)

LLM: One year of study (full-time)

JD vs LLM Curriculum

JD: Broadly covers the U.S. legal system

LLM: Often focused on a specific area of U.S. law. General programs do exist. Most top-tier law schools with LLM programs have general LLM programs.

Admission Requirements of JD vs LLM

JD: A bachelor’s degree, LSAT score, letters of recommendation, and personal statement

LLM: A JD degree or equivalent for foreign-educated lawyers, letters of recommendation, personal statement, and proof of english competency. (You’re already a lawyer so no LSAT!!!)

 

Now with a little more detail

What is a Juris Doctorate?

In the US, a Juris Doctorate (JD) is the term used to describe what degree you get when you attend ‘Law School.’ Law school is a three year program that ends with you graduating with a JD. If you get your JD in the US from an ABA accredited law school then you can take the Bar and practice law as an attorney in any state. 

What is an LLM?

LLM (often written as LL.M.) stands for Legum Magister, which is Latin for Master of Laws. An LLM is a one year degree program which you can pursue after receiving a JD (or international equivalent). An LLM serves two primary purposes. First, the LLM allows you to focus your studies on a single aspect of the law. Second, if you completed your JD (or equivalent) outside of the U.S. then completing your LLM at an ABA approved program allows you to take the Bar in the U.S. and practice law as an attorney.  

What makes an LLM vs JD similar?

Both an LLM and JD are law school based post undergraduate degrees that focus on the study of the law. LLMs and JDs usually have access to the same course catalog and professors at a law school. For most classes, LLMs will be in class next to students pursuing their JD. Both LLM and JD programs accept international (meaning non-US citizen or permanent resident) students.

What makes a JD vs LLM different?

There are five main ways in which a JD is different from an LLM.

  1. Program Length
  2. Hierarchy of programs
  3. Main reason for attending
  4. Program focus
  5. Program size

1. Program length of LLM vs JD:

Getting a JD takes 3 years and getting an LLM takes 1 year. When people in the US talk about going to law school they mean getting a JD.

Nearly all LLM programs also require you to write a thesis to complete your program while JD programs usually just have finals for grades. 

2. Program Order or Hierarchy of the Programs:

In order to pursue an LLM you already have to have gone to law school and received a JD, or a JD equivalent from a foreign country. 

This means that the LLM is actually a more advanced degree than a JD. For many this order is confusing because the JD is often considered a final degree. Additionally, in the American university system, a doctorate (as in JD) is often considered superior to a Masters. However, in this case the M in LLM stands for the latin word, Magister, and is not a Master’s degree like an MBA.

 

3. Main Reason for attending

About 75% of LLM Students in the US are international students who received their JD outside of the US. 

For international lawyers who received their JD outside the US, there are two main reasons to get an LLM. 

  1. If you get an LLM from an ABA approved program, then you can attempt to take the Bar in the U.S. and practice as an attorney. 
  2. Getting an LLM from a prestigious US Law School is a great way to set yourself apart as a lawyer around the world. Getting an LLM can show employers specialization, help build your US networks, and prove that you’re able to complete legal business in English. 

For lawyers who received their JD from a bar accredited law school in the US, the main reason to get an LLM is to specialize in a specific type of law. For example, tax law is a common type of LLM for those with US JDs who choose to pursue an LLM.

4. Program Focus

JD programs are broad introductions to the law and prepare law school students by providing them a broad range of courses. The first year at all law school programs are nearly identical with students taking primarily black letter law classes such as Civil Procedure, Contracts, Torts, Real Property, Criminal Law, Constitutional Law, and Legal Research and Writing.

LLM programs are often more focused. In a focused LLM program you will take classes for a full year on a specific topic. LLM program types include: Advocacy, Air and Space Law, Animal Law, and many others. Some law schools have ‘general’ LLM programs. When enrolled in these ‘general’ programs students’ schedules are more flexible, but they are still expected to focus their studies on a more narrow topic than a JD program. 

 

5. Program Size

Each JD and LLM program is different, but in general LLM programs are smaller than JD programs. Some LLM programs, such as Harvard's, can be as large as 150 people. However, that is substantially smaller than the JD program which is about 1500 people total, or 500 per class.  

Windsor MIT '22, Harvard College Advisor

I am the half of LSD that didn't take the LSAT, or go to law school (Sorry about that). But I did go to MIT business school while surrounded by law students and lawyers, so I am somewhat qualified to talk about the intricacies of law school apps and finances.

Windsor (the dog) didn't write this but he WAS a Resident Tutor and career advisor at Harvard College with me, so deserves some credit.

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questioning whether i go to school for free at a lesser school or pay some out of pocket at a better name for the same degree at end of the day, the numbers don't lie
18:54
@DisillusionedHomelessWalnut: The way the curve works is a below-median student at Tennessee (curves to a 3.1, so B/B+) can end up with a better GPA than an above-average student at Elon (curves to a 2.67/B-minus), so the student from Tennessee will have a better transcript *and* get better jobs on average than someone with the same class rank at Elon
18:56
Your real alarm bell is Elon's curve (linked here, p. 70 https://eloncdn.blob.core.windows.net/eu3/sites/996/2019/07/2017-2018_Academic_Catalog-and-Student_Handbook.pdf) *requires* profs to give 20% of first-year students a C-minus or worse, when the school's bar for "satisfactory academic progress" is a C+ average
ooooffff. thanks. i mean, full ride is cool and all, but damn
18:59
The only scenario where a school does something like that (curve to a 2.67, dismiss students below 2.25) is when they're admitting a lot of students who may not pass the bar, then flunking people out mercilessly so the school can keep its accreditation (ABA requires 75% of grads to pass the bar within two years, can't fail the bar if the school doesn't let you graduate)
the dean told me "no students had their scholarships reduced in the past three years, and to my recollection only one scholarship in 19 years has been reduced when a student was in good standing"
yeah, i get that and appreciate you validating that point. i like to think it really wouldn't apply to me and assume it happens due to the lower standards of admissions they utilize, but is it (full ride) worth the risk? that's the fly in the ointment
just trying to weigh all angles, seems like just biting the bullet and paying the modest amount to UTK is a smarter decision
end of cycle is for the birds, but i'm playing the hand i was dealt :)
19:06
In general you are going to be better off at a school that wants its students to succeed. UTK seems to fit the description - they are not in any danger of losing their accreditation, don't need to force people out. Elon very much does not, if their bar passage drops 2% they'll be in violation of ABA requirements so they won't give students any leway
19:06
*leeway
i appreciate your insight, friend
manifestmoreadmissions
19:11
im too lazy to provide the same level of detail as JB but I agree UTK seems like a better bet to actually achieve your career goals and set yourself up for success. I would understand being conflicted if it were like UTK vs Belmont or a lower ranked school that isn't considered predatory but because it's Elon that makes it more clear to me
thank you
the counterpoint bouncing around my head is basically "if i'm worth a damn, as i think i am, i'll be just fine no matter what the curve is" but you folks are nudging me in the direction of logic and common sense
manifestmoreadmissions
19:18
plenty of the people who fall behind are worth a damn it's just that some schools are basically set up to screw people over
yeah. fall behind as in....miss homework? can't keep up with readings? something else?
kinda nervous coming in as an untraditional guy around KJD's, billy madison vibes over here
19:21
Re: costs, it's worth looking at costs all around, both schools cost (net tuition, $0 at Elon/$30K over 3 years if you're in-state at UTK) PLUS three years not earning money or advancing in your career, which is worth 6 figures if you make decent money now. $30K in tuition is a small share of total costs in this comparison
19:24
"Fall behind" in this context means law school curves are rigid, no matter how hard everyone studies half the class will be below-median, 25% in the bottom quarter, etc. It's not super predictable either, so a student above GPA or LSAT median could still end up bottom half or 1/4 of the class
gotcha. predatory in that instance is certainly appropriate
manifestmoreadmissions
19:32
i am not kjd but im glad jb cleared that up for you lmao
19:32
And assuming similar class rank, UTK grads tend to do better in public data. Top students at UTK have a shot at biglaw (pays $225K), top students at Elon end up at small/medium firms (worse pay). Average students at UTK can get jobs at small/medium firms, average students at Elon are on the bubble for any firm job at all. Below-average students at UTK have a shot at firm jobs or other work, below-average students at Elon might not get jobs (or pass the bar, or avoid academic dismissal). That's the major advantage of well-regarded schools - more upside, less downside
manifestmoreadmissions
19:32
but yeah just reiterating that you could be worth so many damns and still not do well because its set up for that
19:37
(This is ignoring public service/government jobs, because the stats there don't tell us much about the type of job - "super competitive Department of Justice job in DC making $90K" and "local government job earning $50K" both get lumped together under the "public service" label, but say v. different things about a school's job placement
really appreciate all the insight
manifestmoreadmissions
23:07
for those going to school in fall 24 when did you add your school to your linkedin profile
MightyUnableSphinx
23:13
add as soon as you get in! :)
MightyUnableSphinx
23:13
it's like a little micro celebration!
23:15
Anyone else here plan on practicing around PDX?
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