I’m not looking at a t14 5:18 PM

I know pace part time takes 149 5:19 PM

Brooklyn Law School City University of New York School of Law Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Yeshiva University Columbia University School of Law Fordham University School of Law New York Law School New York University School of Law Notre Dame Law School Pace University--Elisabeth Haub School of Law Quinnipiac University School of Law Rutgers 5:22 PM

This is my list 5:22 PM

@GoOwls2023 i am looking to stay in the NY/NJ/PA area. But yes i know i could get into Appalachian. 5:30 PM

You aint getting into Fordham, Cardozo, Columbia, or NYU so don’t waste your money 12:10 PM

🤷‍♂️ 1:30 PM

Where can I get into @TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader 1:45 PM

@ElegantPrincipledMongoose719 just look into schools on this website that fit your stats, since ur gpa is so high you could probably get in a school with a 155ish median 4:20 PM

I'm a current 1L and I had an above the median score for fordham and was waitlisted. I was then accepted but I would suggest trying to bump up the score. you have time to take the november test. I was competitive last cycle and will be this year too 4:31 PM

this guys been on here awhile talking bout how hes not taking it again and 148 is the best he can get 4:46 PM

@RasheedWallaceFan Not from portland, but my sister lived there a while. Thomas More is the patron saint of lawyers 11:14 AM

My practice tests are now in the 173 - 175 range. 11:15 AM

I have a 2.8 UPGA. There's no longer any data that can help me predict where I get in or how much money I'll be offered. I'm officially a guinea pig 11:16 AM

what is everyone's thoughts on writing supplemental essays? do they actually make a difference in your app? 11:37 AM

depends on the essay and what you have to say. on the whole i'll typically try to submit most supplemental essays 12:04 PM

It definitely matters at some schools, See: Notre Dame. If you dont submit a why NDLS I actually think your odds of a waitlist go way up. 1:11 PM

Where is the best place to get chanced for law school based on stats on ec's 4:01 PM

@St-Thomas-Moore congrats thats incredible! hopefully you scored just as well on the real thing. I just got my first 171 PT this weekend and I'm hyped. 4:36 PM

3.89 GPA LSat around 164 PTing. What is my shot at UNC/BC 12:46 PM

if ur applying to t-14s u should do most supplemental essays 1:07 PM

whats the point of doing an addendum should i do one for when my grades dropped then i borugh them back up 1:42 PM

went from a 3.9 to a 2.4 with Ds then back up to a 3.3 1:42 PM

IS a 171 with a really high GPA good enough? dreading getting august scores back i think i did worse 2:50 PM

loyola law being like we withdrew your app from our waitlist because **** u we have no spots yet 3:24 PM

left 3:24 PM

girl..........i knew this 3:24 PM

who else isnt applying to t14 schools LOL 7:15 PM

wow lsd has become so fancy 11:23 PM

NYU chances with a 3.92 and a 173? 8:53 AM

got a 177 9:04 AM

ya boi 9:04 AM

got a 157 9:40 AM

Woop woop, congrats! 12:10 PM

i got a 153 1:56 PM

I got a 167 :D 2:19 PM

159 :/ 3:24 PM

guys is a 175 good enough to outweigh a sub 3.9 (3.8 high tho) for a t14 scholarship or am i going to be bankrupt 4:41 PM

174 4.0 gpa is HYS possible with average softs 5:59 PM

I scored 9 points lower on my second LSAT cuz of a family issue, should I retake in November or submit with first score (16mid). Trying to t-14s 8:51 PM

@cinnamonrol1 gonna be hard as a kjd with a lot of top schools valuing WE more, but definitely possible, especially at lower T14s like cornell. 9:26 PM

@PatientLawfulTurtle714 Maybe, depends on your essays. You just gotta make a strong case of why they should want you. Dont be boring. 9:27 PM

@LogicalJustifiableSquirrel315 hard to know without your other stats/softs, you could always apply first and then retake, the schools will automatically get your updated score 9:29 PM

180 LSAT as a URM. bouta stomp all over this post-SFFA landscape with my Rich Cultural Experiences 2:43 AM

Would the LSE summer school program count as a T2 soft? 11:42 AM

no 11:56 AM

not unless you sucked off keir starmer and can get a good LOR 11:57 AM

@OtomeNosecone It says you have a 158 12:00 PM

i got cooked on my lsat 1:13 PM

idk what happened on that august lsat 1:13 PM

i was drilling 20/25 and Pt'ing high 150's. i got a 148 1:14 PM

any advicd 1:14 PM

focus on your weaknesses 1:33 PM

nah dude idk what happened. a 148 is like 12 points higher than my diagnostic 1:36 PM

i thought i did good 1:36 PM

Got a 167, where do we apply gang? 1:40 PM

I think we can all see what happened here 1:49 PM

tell me 2:05 PM

What would be the point 2:12 PM

lol ok 2:24 PM

how competitive do you think this next cycle is going to be, and how many years in a row can applications keep having these crazy numbers (+ 20% increase year over year) I keep hearing there isn't jobs for lawyers but yet everyone keeps applying? 2:46 PM

@appraiser1973 Who's telling you there are no jobs? Presumably they cant increase ad infinitum, bubbles by nature have to pop. 2:58 PM

You can do a lot with a law degree, its not limited. 3:06 PM

I have to believe there will continue to be jobs for the best lawyers 3:10 PM

yeah i mean just graduate top 10% of your class at a t14 3:28 PM

youll be fine 3:28 PM

just dont go to a **** school and get below average grades or your just gonna be in debt for nothing 3:29 PM

I'd rather work a trade than go to 95% of T14s. Far too ideological 3:50 PM

or 92.86% rather 3:55 PM

“ideological” lmao buddy its law school 3:58 PM

all law schools are ideological 3:58 PM

law is ideological 3:58 PM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader not if you're using the technical definition of ideology, and not if law is metaphysical 4:10 PM

U chicago is pretty conservative I hear 4:30 PM

guys gerard way was right by my building 4:31 PM

thought everyone would love to know 4:31 PM

@WateryElfinEmu Don't much go in for austrian economics myself. But to your point, their faculty seem to have a different view than other top schools 4:40 PM

@badhorrormovie was the building One World Trade Center? Did he spill the blood of Ellen Degeneres into the fountain? 10:08 PM

@st-thomas-more law is a social construct imposed by the state to control it’s population and impose its ideology. It’s fundamentally separate from any platonic ideal of moraliity 10:11 PM

Idk Im very much a continental philosopher so its hard for me to understand from an analytical perspective, there is no metaphysical form of anything imo 10:13 PM

Not true, there is a metaphysical store just down the block. 50% off crystals if you say "Gabby Bernstein" at checkout 10:37 PM

tyler what are you even saying bro 4:53 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader Aristotle FTW. Down with legal positivism and Oliver Wendell Holmes. I don't know if I could spend my life pursuing a career in law if I thought all laws were completely arbitrary and just the will of stronger men. 10:16 AM

My goal in law is to defend the common man from tyrannical abuses of power. Not to serve some make believe higher authority. The law is nebulous, it cannot be defended or served. I hate when people call themselves servants of the law 10:41 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader same! 11:58 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader unfortunately, taking your presumption for granted law is only tyrannical abuses of power. laws are merely the expression of another will, be it the political community or a demagogue but either way its a tyrant. You'd need to be a strict anarchist to be consist. Even a speed limit is an arbitrar expression of some 1:12 PM

other will. And if its not, if it serves a good, then you have to define that good. And either that definition is metaphysical or the very concept of good is an expression of another arbitrary will. 1:14 PM

which by definition means that all laws are an expression of tyrannical will. If you're being consistent. 1:16 PM

Holy low ROI 1:45 PM

We have a social contract with each other determined by shares common values and societal norms, the law exists purely to uphold that social contract, anything beyond that is tyrannical 3:42 PM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader A SECOND PLANE HAS HIT THE MCR BUILDING 4:41 PM

I love this. LSD chat history repeating itself. @TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader look up blade runner deleted Gaff scene. "I spit on metaphysics." Adds another dimension to the movie. 5:12 PM

is november too late to take the lsat and apply for 2026 lsat 5:20 PM

cycle lol 5:20 PM

not really 5:37 PM

hi all, college sophomore going to UGA here 4:54 PM

do yall have any recommendations for internships that i should pursue while getting my undergrad 4:54 PM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader look at the ABA 509 form for pace part time 25th percentile is 149 and 75th percentile is a 3.77 im going to get in lol 9:34 PM

also i have no preference whether its part time or full time 9:35 PM

so long as i get into a school thats aba accredited idc ill do what i have to do financially. 9:35 PM

i have an lsat addendum, this was a rough year and i was dealing with a lot of stuff at home. 9:36 PM

Almost 50% of students at Pace lose their conditional scholarships 10:12 PM

be prepared for that to be you 10:13 PM

Look, I know CRS recruitment emails are automated, but it still feels nice for Yale to call me a compelling applicant 6:46 PM

I have a 167 and a 3.86 and I want to get into a T14 (ideally GULC) regardless of financials. My highest PT is a 171, should I retake the LSAT this cycle? or just apply with what I have and see where I land? 6:48 PM

If you really want to go there, you can always ED but don't expect money. If you can get a higher PT like 176 then I would consider applying but a 167 isn't far off from a 171. Need a degree of +/- 5. High GPA helps. You had a good shot of getting into at least 1 T14 with that GPA last cycle. Still a gamble though. If you really want to get in, 7:51 PM

Yeah raise your LSAT but that's a personal choice. Could risk it. I would try and get a practice test of 176 though so even if you do bad you might get that -5 down to 171. Wouldn't really bother taking again if you can't at least get a 173/174 as your highest PT. 7:52 PM

anyone know how negatively a termination from a part time job ~ 3 and a half years ago for pushing someone that spit on me would affect my applications? 9:06 PM

If you didn't get charged it doesn't mean anything. We would have to know more details. 9:41 PM

Should I retake the LSAT with a 173? 2.72 GPA (former dropout), my degree GPA is 3.3, aiming for NYC T-14 10:24 PM

Hey DK 11:02 PM

Yo everyone. A year ago I took a blind timed diagnostic and got 153, studied for like a week and then fell off completely cuz i wasnt taking the test any time soon. Signed up for november LSAT and took another 'diagnostic' recently and got 164, strong in RC not as much in LR. What's doable score wise? 11:28 PM

(looking for strong 70+% scholarship to a midtier school in my dreams, 3.8-3.9ish GPA we'll see how my senior year goes) 11:29 PM

I forgot to tell you guys about my latest pt score: 157!! It's not much but it's honest work. 9:47 AM

Soooo once I get all of my applications out, am I supposed to just chill for months waiting to hear back? Also why do law schools open applications Sept. 1 if they aren't going to be sending out any decisions until december? 11:50 AM

I'm going to make a smart guess and say that admissions need time to go over ALL of the hundreds and thousands of apps they get :) 1:44 PM

pretty much yeah. also they hate us 1:45 PM

hopefully i dont get screwed over applying in november once i get my scores back 1:45 PM

Id say before Thanksgiving is the best bet. Most KJDs will be applying around Christmas when home on break, so its best to be ahead of that 2:53 PM

understood 3:14 PM

thank u 3:16 PM

@1a2b3c4d26z Hello there! 11:56 PM

What LSAT prep do y'all recommend? I did my diag. with Blueprint, but I want to get some opinions before upgrading for additional PTs. 12:18 PM

I have seen some recs. for LSAT Demon, but not sure on which plan/package would be most beneficial. 12:20 PM

Is a 167 worth applying to Notre Dame? 12:41 PM

@Mudbug954 I used 7sage and would recommend it 1:12 PM

@Bodacious-Space-Babe You miss 100% of shots you don’t take 1:13 PM

I liked LSAT Lab a lot, but I didn't try anything else. 2:02 PM

Did 2 months of LSAT Lab and then a month of Demon. Prefer the demon method but if you like the conditional logic stuff then Lab is a very good deal for what it offers. 2:29 PM

anyone think I have a shot for scholarship at Pepperdine? LSAT 164 and 3.84 GPA T3 softs K-JD 3:51 PM

hey guys, just really quickly, give me your best estimate for a feasible LSAT score with a 151 baseline 5:51 PM

160+ 6:00 PM

High 160s is basically possible for everyone imo given enough time and resources 9:45 PM

breaking into the 170s has a bit more involved 9:46 PM

How long will you be able to study for? 9:48 PM

where should i apply with good job prospects and minimal debt with a 3.98 gpa and a 168 lsat? 10:20 PM

Emory, BC, and Fordham are your best bets for high BL placement and a good scholarship. 11:14 PM

3.64 GPA LSAT 170 T2 soft do i have a shot at Notre Dame 2:03 AM

4.33 GPA LSAT 180 T1 soft do i have a shot at Cooley 8:15 AM

I forgot how toxic looking at this chat is 8:29 AM

@HarmoniousJustifiableGorilla722 that depends fully on your goals/target sectors and geographical areas of employment. If you are set on working in a specific city (especially if that is not Chicago, LA, or NYC), there is almost certainly a regional powerhouse at which you could receive something close to a full ride and access a solid network 8:33 AM

Soooo do we think WashU pushes for 175 this cycle? 10:14 AM

omg havent been here in so long hello everyone 10:38 AM

@seventensplit probably not since USNWR doesn’t factor in medians as much anymore 10:42 AM

@FourthWaveEmo which version did you go with for LSAT Demon? Trying to decide if the extra $100/month is worth "premium". 10:58 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader @yo Thank you for your input! 10:59 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader Did you use the core version or did you find that "live" was worth it? 11:00 AM

is 171 4.1 HYS possible with good softs 11:40 AM

Hello eveyone 12:34 PM

@Mudbug954 I had a fee waiver that included live but I only went to like 2 classes. If you’re past the beginner stage I wouldn’t bother, the core curriculum is enough 12:54 PM

Wondering if anyone has ideas on how to get fee-waivers when you don't qualify for a general one. I've been sent a bunch, but still missing several schools on my list like UNC, UVA, and Vanderbilt 3:48 PM

Sometimes there is a form on the website, otherwise you email and ask 3:53 PM

Thanks 4:03 PM

@Mudbug954 I did the basic subscription at $95. Didn't feel like I needed the classes or anything though that's up to you. Just wanted access to the algorithm. FWIW I started really using the demon when I was scoring 164-170 on PTs (Diaged 158). Ended up with an official 172. 5:15 PM

i have a 2.3 gpa and got a 148 lsat score. I am retaking the lsat saturday and have been scoring on average 155 5:28 PM

am i chalked 5:28 PM

Thoughts? 5:31 PM

Nah just do better on the lsat 5:50 PM

maybe hire a chinese company or mike ross 8:02 PM

With a 3.1 gpa from a very well regarded lib arts school what lsat would I need to get into a top school 1:20 AM

i mean a 3.1 is gonna be hard too overcome no matter what lsat you have, your softs and essays are going to matter a lot 8:11 AM

A couple of website gripes: people misentering the cycle they have applied, so looking at charts now I'm seeing some applicants from last year. Second gripe, people putting things like interview date or complete date as something like 6/9/1969. When you go to make a chart, it compresses the Y axis due to those hooligans. 11:03 AM

Were I the developer of this site: I would just do some filtering on the front end. A date before Sept 1 of the current cycle just gets cut. 11:05 AM

Third gripe: charts on mobile--impossible to hover over a data point. Maybe first click to bring up the tooltip, second click to go to profile? Idk what library yall are using for the charts, but should be easy enough to hook into it 11:07 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader Perfect! I know I'm beyond the beginner stage, so your input is really helpful! 12:57 PM

@FourthWaveEmo That sounds like the perfect placement to get what I need out of LSAT practice. My diag. was a 165, so I really need something that will push me at least to that 172-175 range. 12:58 PM

3.4 biomedical engineering and CS degrees from duke 2 gap years most likely 175 lsat is it worth applying t14? really want to go either columbia, nyu, or northwestern 3:37 PM

never self select out 4:12 PM

you miss 100% of shots you dont take 4:12 PM

would i get into a t14 tho lol really would depend on softs and stuff since im a splitter 5:40 PM

chiblee, chiblee. Im never getting into the t14 chiblee. they threw my application out the window chiblee. it was in a black trash bag chiblee. im gonna go on the roof chiblee. they cant stop me. im gonna go on the roof and throw myself off chiblee 7:29 PM

nl in MY LSD chat? 9:03 PM

@crazyeight1700 I think you have a very very solid chance of getting into a T12. Esp since ur a stem major, I think you being a splitter will be taken with a grain of salt. Plus u come from a strong undergrad institution and have a high LSAT 12:17 AM

**T14 12:17 AM

@seventensplit thank you for your feedback <3 3:48 PM

Y’all seen The Verdict? Im only like 10 minutes in but Paul Newmans character is #LawyerGoals. Raging alcoholic who goes to funerals to get clients? Do you think I should make that my Why Law? 7:52 PM

lol coming back to this place as a 2L is a trip, gl guys it'll be alright 8:16 PM

I started apps last April but didn't get into anything because I was late cycle; PLUS loans were going to be my funding, but that got cut off. Everything I'm not R from starts too late. I'm 16high 3.verylow. I have to do part time hybrid or online because I need to work where I am. Is there any point in trying to get a full ride or close at PT 8:35 PM

I was thinking I might make efforts to position myself better and try again later. 8:36 PM

Or try for scholarships...I don't know. 8:42 PM

I really don't know much at all about part time programs/online, just make sure you do your due diligence about employment outcomes at those schools. From my understanding, the best way to get a job is to summer there as a 2L and IDK what that looks like at an online/part time program. Bottom line, never plan on being the exception to a general rul 1:48 PM

Like, yes, there are people who do things like that and have great outcomes, but keep your expectations in line with the average outcome 1:48 PM

i know circumstances don’t allow it for some people, but i would recommend quitting your job and doing a full time program 2:39 PM

Thank you. It might make sense for me to try to adjust circumstances toward a full time possibility. It does also seem like those get heavily funded more often. 5:39 PM

Yes, better scholarships and better job outcomes make full time worth it for most everyone. Plus, law school is a lot of work, hard to juggle that and fulltime employment 8:23 PM

I wish schools would just admit me without actually having to apply 1:29 PM

like lets all just save ourselves some time 1:29 PM

@devs any chance you'd let me make a pull request? lol. fixed my gripes 6:26 PM

@seventensplit Your request is one of the first ones in the bug tracker. Once I finish with what I am currently doing, we will take care of it. 8:04 PM

Hey guys Im trying to get my apps finished by end of this month / October. Im in state for FSU and have 4 years WE at a law firm. I am under the 25% for GPA, but I have a 162 LSAT. Advice?? 9:58 AM

Looking at the stats youre gonna have a hard time getting in. Is it too late to retake in November? If you already have a full time job you could delay a cycle and put more work into the LSAT 10:50 AM

^^ I agree. It's not impossible but you want at least one of your stats to be at or above median for a more solid chance. 11:15 AM

Yeah I work full time, I jsut really dont want to delay because I decided not to apply last year and Im ready to get started now. I supposed I could submit my apps asap then retake lsat and send it into schools? 11:35 AM

It's not too late to register for Nov., the deadline is the 25th. Hmmm 11:36 AM

The last lsat I took was the last lsat offered with games. 11:36 AM

I took a short 3 section pt with just RC and LR and still did very well. Maybe it would be worth it, and study for the next month and half? 11:40 AM

Why do you have to apply now? imo just take the year and get a high lsat score, then get a good scholarship to a good school rather than risking it to pay sticker at a mid tier regional school 11:54 AM

Bc I recently turned 28 and I have been working for 4 years and am eager to start law school 12:08 PM

Hey! I have a question and would love to hear everyone's thoughts. I got a 149 on the LSAT, and my GPA is a 3.85, I am looking at schools like cleveland state or case western, should I retake the LSAT 12:12 PM

yes 12:29 PM

ABCCarrot was here last year too. 2:08 PM

hello my chat 3:02 PM

and yes retake 3:02 PM

@LawCarrot i work full-time as well, have been for 3 years. i'm an r&r planning to take november. i've been studying and have noticed a significant difference in scores since my 163!!! def take time and apply immediately after you get your score 3:04 PM

envious of my friends whose parents let them quit their jobs to study for the lsat/mcat 3:05 PM

you just gotta have a depressive meltdown until their forced to let you stay with them so you dont get [CENSORED], then get treated and rekindle your desire to go to law school 5:29 PM

I scored a 169 on a practice LSAT before studying but my GPA is 3.1, how cooked am I chat 9:18 PM

if its 3.1 in STEM and/or youve been out of school for 5+ years you arent that cooked 9:20 PM

otherwise youre pretty cooked 9:20 PM

5+ years out, decent softs, and until April to study my way to a better score 9:29 PM

Youre applying to enter in Fall 2027? You’re probably fine, though god knows what admissions will be like next year 9:48 PM

Yeah. I'm using 7sage until then to get my LSAT to my target 175. I went -0 on RC on my diagnostic, so I'm just focusing on perfecting LR 11:49 PM

hey all- I am a former NYC school teacher who is applying for law school this year. One of my softs is getting accepted to a nonprofit fellowship that accepts top math/science teachers and gives them a large scholarship over 4 years. Would that qualify more as a T2 or T3 soft? Thanks for the help 11:43 AM

softs are made up 11:59 AM

I wouldn't use softs to gauge my chances somewhere. Just know whether you have strong or weak softs and try to make them as strong as possible to give you an advantage at reach schools. Don't ruminate on how much each thing helps. 12:21 PM

thanks 12:26 PM

what percent of first year law students are KJD? I want to know how much of an outlier ill be lol 1:36 PM

Im also graduating undergrad 2 years early so im like unusually young for law school. is it gonna be awk 1:37 PM

or do people not really care since everyone goes to law school at different ages 1:39 PM

Yeah youre gonna have a rough time fitting it ngl 2:19 PM

Especially since youre not old enough to drink 2:20 PM

a lot of socializing happens at bar review 2:20 PM

oop okay! 4:18 PM

how do people even have time to go out in law school? i was told id have no free time 4:20 PM

I can't drink, so I'm concerned about my socializing. I see a lot of events are cocktail hours. I can go to bars, but people think you're weird if you're not imbibing. I supposed I could just recruit the bartender in a ruse. 4:24 PM

Whelp, I just applied to my first 2 schools... 5:49 PM

I don't thing I will get into one of those, but I think I will get into the other 5:51 PM

is UCLA considered a t14 8:44 PM

no 9:59 AM

technically t14s are the 14 schools that have made top 10 in the rankings 10:00 AM

not the top 14 ranked schools 10:00 AM

@yo Club Soda and Lime is the classic “I don’t drink but don’t want people to ask me why I’m not drinking” drink 10:01 AM

T14 technically just refers to the US News rankings which used to be far more stable. So nowadays, the 10-14 change year to year. Many still consider Cornell to be T14 because it was there for so long, but dropped to 18 this year. Anyway, UCLA is definitely T14, it’s made the top 14 for at least the last 3-4 years straight. 12:47 PM

There is a prestige and acceptance rate different between the top core T14 (Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Chicago, Penn).. and those more on the margin (Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Wash U, etc) 12:49 PM

UCLA is not a t14, neither is vandy or wash u 1:56 PM

it doesn’t matter if they make the top 14 schools on usnwr 1:56 PM

they have to make top10 1:56 PM

and if a new school makes top 10 it will become t15 1:56 PM

ucla is not t14 lol 6:25 AM

stopjust making **** up 6:25 AM

its a good school but yeah its not t14 the current rankings are useless, if they put umn tied for 14 does it magically become a t14? 6:26 AM

usnwr benefits shifting the rankings every few years, harvard at #6 was complete bs but a news story 6:26 AM

the ranking is useless look at actual outcomes and you'd realize ucla ut austin washu all are inferior to even georgetown 6:27 AM

also look at peer reputation scores and lawyer/judge reputation score 6:27 AM

ATL rankings prioritize outcomes and put Vanderbilt in the top 10.. above Harvard. 9:46 AM

NYU and Georgetown don’t even make the ATL top 14 9:47 AM

Vandy has good midwest/east firm outcomes but doesn’t place as well in NYC/DC/Cali biglaw. A lot of NYU grads end up in PI and a lot of georgetown grads end up in government 3:50 PM

its hard to use BL employment as a metric since a lot of the top schools don’t produce grads that go to biglaw 3:50 PM

1000% agree, but that's also why "T14" isn't as clear cut as it used to be 5:20 PM

Fed Clerk ranking is all that matters. 10:01 PM

the problem with using FC rates as a sole metric is that its very region/politics dependent. 9:55 AM

Like University of New Mexico has more grads in federal clerkships than Northwestern but I don’t think anyone would argue its better than Northwestern 9:56 AM

Anyone want to proof read my PS 9:59 AM

No 9:59 AM

Thanks for sharing, you are heard (kisses you) 10:01 AM

this might be a dumb question, but how do I add my interview date to my status tracker? 10:52 AM

nvmd 10:53 AM

does anyone know why the acceptance lists are bugged? 12:05 PM

Just shows you can’t use any single factor to “rank” law schools… plus, the rankings dont mean much in the real world. Depending on career plans and geographic preferences, your personal top law schools can be very different than the “list.” If you want big law versus public interest versus clerkship versus criminal law, 1:13 PM

Your “top law schools”. Will vary significantly. 1:13 PM

When is the latest you can apply with still considered being "early" 2:17 PM

Thanksgiving is what most adcoms will say 4:11 PM

Someone mind looking at my profile and let me know what schools im missing? Im considering applying to WashU, and Georgetown but I dont know if its worth the app fee 4:29 PM

Also thought about texas but its feels like out of state applicants with my stats have a really tough time getting in so idk. 4:29 PM

I personally dislike northwestern with a passion so I would argue U New Mexico is better. I only like maybe 5 of the T14's. 8:41 PM

UVA, Duke, Michigan, UCLA, GTown. I really only like those ones. 8:43 PM

around what time will most schools start handing out offers? November and December? 9:43 AM

or will some do earlier 9:44 AM

A few will get back to you in a couple weeks, some will have waves in Late November or December, most will wait til January-March 10:41 AM

Big muzzy 11:18 AM

what are my odds for UNT Dallas with 154 LSAT and 3.78 gpa 11:31 AM

50/50 11:34 AM

you either get in or you dont 11:34 AM

anyone take the september lsat? what did you think re difficulty compared to past PTs or actual LSATs you've taken? 2:02 PM

Where should I apply with a 3.9 170 3:30 PM

@AbsorbingEPlatypus I thought it was noticeably more difficult. I have a 169 official and best PT is 175. What did you think? 3:35 PM

how's everyone doing 3:59 PM

Not bad 4:17 PM

Saw people talking earlier about what qualifies a school as T14. Is there a list somewhere of what people consider current "true" T14s if not the latest US news ranking? 4:18 PM

Found this T14 list on an LSD article: Yale, Stanford, Harvard, UChicago, Columbia, NYU, UPenn, UVA, UC Berkeley, UMich, Duke, Cornell, Northwestern, and Georgetown. Is this still agreed upon? 4:44 PM

Big Muzzy 4:58 PM

got an admissions question if anyone can help 5:07 PM

This chat seems mostly to be blind leading the blind. So just ask away 6:03 PM

@AbrasiveFadedMammoth the T14 list has changed so that is not the recent ranking. As you mentioned US news has the current ranking. 5:22 AM

Not to be rude. But if someone else asks where they should go with 170 or 170+ with high GPA, maybe reconsider law school. I think It is pretty obvious you have a chance at most schools. As in more than half as in at least 98 or 99 out of all schools. 🙄 (depending on the rest of your application of course) 5:27 AM

People looking for validation 6:23 AM

im a doctor of pharmacy grad, (0-6 year program), my gpa for undergrad is technically 3.23 but it accounts for the pharmacy classes, if only undergradute level courses it would be 3.5. Do you think law shcool will take into account? 9:49 AM

For GPA, the difficulty of program, school curve, etc, are essentially sorts that may be considered. A law school may love rounding out their class with a doctor of pharmacy, which isn’t common entry into law school. But, for their rankings and prestige, law schools value a high median GPA— meaning they want at least half their class to have 10:00 AM

The highest GPA possible. Their rankings are better served by someone who has a 4.0 with easy classes, than a chemical engineer with a 3.2 GPA. 10:01 AM

*essentially softs 10:01 AM

should i still submit the optional essays for a school if im above their median LSAT and GPA? Would they even look at the essays or are they a waste of time 11:29 AM

Always submit the optional. Being above medians does not guarantee admission. Plus there is scholarship consideration 12:26 PM

@St-Thomas-More I have a 169 official from Feb and highest PT was a 173. I'm really not sure; I thought the first two sections were great but the second two could have gone either way. Good luck :) 12:48 PM

Is it better to submit the max number of Letters of rec or just the minimum? 4:49 PM

Every adcom ive heard from has said just 2 is best, 3 maybe if it can actually add materially to your app, but if you have 2 good ones youre good 8:19 PM

and they should both be from professors who know you and your work well unless youre like 8+ years out of college, then you can get away with 1 professional reference 8:20 PM

Hey guys, current 2L at Notre Dame, feel free to ask me anything about the school 10:28 AM

So I got waitlisted at my top choice last year and decided to reapply. My lsat went from 162 to 167 this year and I felt good about admission. After attending an info session, however, admissions said that they are looking to raise their median again from a 166 to a 168?? Does this hurt my chances? Are these official numbers or figures? 11:10 AM

jesus christ wtf kinda adcom is just straight up talking about wanting to raise their medians in an info session 12:54 PM

@VibrantConstitutionalPuffin678 what was your LSAT/GPA/scholarship? How do you like Notre dame? 5:32 PM

I’m not looking at a t14 5:18 PM

I know pace part time takes 149 5:19 PM

Brooklyn Law School City University of New York School of Law Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Yeshiva University Columbia University School of Law Fordham University School of Law New York Law School New York University School of Law Notre Dame Law School Pace University--Elisabeth Haub School of Law Quinnipiac University School of Law Rutgers 5:22 PM

This is my list 5:22 PM

@GoOwls2023 i am looking to stay in the NY/NJ/PA area. But yes i know i could get into Appalachian. 5:30 PM

You aint getting into Fordham, Cardozo, Columbia, or NYU so don’t waste your money 12:10 PM

🤷‍♂️ 1:30 PM

Where can I get into @TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader 1:45 PM

@ElegantPrincipledMongoose719 just look into schools on this website that fit your stats, since ur gpa is so high you could probably get in a school with a 155ish median 4:20 PM

I'm a current 1L and I had an above the median score for fordham and was waitlisted. I was then accepted but I would suggest trying to bump up the score. you have time to take the november test. I was competitive last cycle and will be this year too 4:31 PM

this guys been on here awhile talking bout how hes not taking it again and 148 is the best he can get 4:46 PM

@RasheedWallaceFan Not from portland, but my sister lived there a while. Thomas More is the patron saint of lawyers 11:14 AM

My practice tests are now in the 173 - 175 range. 11:15 AM

I have a 2.8 UPGA. There's no longer any data that can help me predict where I get in or how much money I'll be offered. I'm officially a guinea pig 11:16 AM

what is everyone's thoughts on writing supplemental essays? do they actually make a difference in your app? 11:37 AM

depends on the essay and what you have to say. on the whole i'll typically try to submit most supplemental essays 12:04 PM

It definitely matters at some schools, See: Notre Dame. If you dont submit a why NDLS I actually think your odds of a waitlist go way up. 1:11 PM

Where is the best place to get chanced for law school based on stats on ec's 4:01 PM

@St-Thomas-Moore congrats thats incredible! hopefully you scored just as well on the real thing. I just got my first 171 PT this weekend and I'm hyped. 4:36 PM

3.89 GPA LSat around 164 PTing. What is my shot at UNC/BC 12:46 PM

if ur applying to t-14s u should do most supplemental essays 1:07 PM

whats the point of doing an addendum should i do one for when my grades dropped then i borugh them back up 1:42 PM

went from a 3.9 to a 2.4 with Ds then back up to a 3.3 1:42 PM

IS a 171 with a really high GPA good enough? dreading getting august scores back i think i did worse 2:50 PM

loyola law being like we withdrew your app from our waitlist because **** u we have no spots yet 3:24 PM

left 3:24 PM

girl..........i knew this 3:24 PM

who else isnt applying to t14 schools LOL 7:15 PM

wow lsd has become so fancy 11:23 PM

NYU chances with a 3.92 and a 173? 8:53 AM

got a 177 9:04 AM

ya boi 9:04 AM

got a 157 9:40 AM

Woop woop, congrats! 12:10 PM

i got a 153 1:56 PM

I got a 167 :D 2:19 PM

159 :/ 3:24 PM

guys is a 175 good enough to outweigh a sub 3.9 (3.8 high tho) for a t14 scholarship or am i going to be bankrupt 4:41 PM

174 4.0 gpa is HYS possible with average softs 5:59 PM

I scored 9 points lower on my second LSAT cuz of a family issue, should I retake in November or submit with first score (16mid). Trying to t-14s 8:51 PM

@cinnamonrol1 gonna be hard as a kjd with a lot of top schools valuing WE more, but definitely possible, especially at lower T14s like cornell. 9:26 PM

@PatientLawfulTurtle714 Maybe, depends on your essays. You just gotta make a strong case of why they should want you. Dont be boring. 9:27 PM

@LogicalJustifiableSquirrel315 hard to know without your other stats/softs, you could always apply first and then retake, the schools will automatically get your updated score 9:29 PM

180 LSAT as a URM. bouta stomp all over this post-SFFA landscape with my Rich Cultural Experiences 2:43 AM

Would the LSE summer school program count as a T2 soft? 11:42 AM

no 11:56 AM

not unless you sucked off keir starmer and can get a good LOR 11:57 AM

@OtomeNosecone It says you have a 158 12:00 PM

i got cooked on my lsat 1:13 PM

idk what happened on that august lsat 1:13 PM

i was drilling 20/25 and Pt'ing high 150's. i got a 148 1:14 PM

any advicd 1:14 PM

focus on your weaknesses 1:33 PM

nah dude idk what happened. a 148 is like 12 points higher than my diagnostic 1:36 PM

i thought i did good 1:36 PM

Got a 167, where do we apply gang? 1:40 PM

I think we can all see what happened here 1:49 PM

tell me 2:05 PM

What would be the point 2:12 PM

lol ok 2:24 PM

how competitive do you think this next cycle is going to be, and how many years in a row can applications keep having these crazy numbers (+ 20% increase year over year) I keep hearing there isn't jobs for lawyers but yet everyone keeps applying? 2:46 PM

@appraiser1973 Who's telling you there are no jobs? Presumably they cant increase ad infinitum, bubbles by nature have to pop. 2:58 PM

You can do a lot with a law degree, its not limited. 3:06 PM

I have to believe there will continue to be jobs for the best lawyers 3:10 PM

yeah i mean just graduate top 10% of your class at a t14 3:28 PM

youll be fine 3:28 PM

just dont go to a **** school and get below average grades or your just gonna be in debt for nothing 3:29 PM

I'd rather work a trade than go to 95% of T14s. Far too ideological 3:50 PM

or 92.86% rather 3:55 PM

“ideological” lmao buddy its law school 3:58 PM

all law schools are ideological 3:58 PM

law is ideological 3:58 PM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader not if you're using the technical definition of ideology, and not if law is metaphysical 4:10 PM

U chicago is pretty conservative I hear 4:30 PM

guys gerard way was right by my building 4:31 PM

thought everyone would love to know 4:31 PM

@WateryElfinEmu Don't much go in for austrian economics myself. But to your point, their faculty seem to have a different view than other top schools 4:40 PM

@badhorrormovie was the building One World Trade Center? Did he spill the blood of Ellen Degeneres into the fountain? 10:08 PM

@st-thomas-more law is a social construct imposed by the state to control it’s population and impose its ideology. It’s fundamentally separate from any platonic ideal of moraliity 10:11 PM

Idk Im very much a continental philosopher so its hard for me to understand from an analytical perspective, there is no metaphysical form of anything imo 10:13 PM

Not true, there is a metaphysical store just down the block. 50% off crystals if you say "Gabby Bernstein" at checkout 10:37 PM

tyler what are you even saying bro 4:53 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader Aristotle FTW. Down with legal positivism and Oliver Wendell Holmes. I don't know if I could spend my life pursuing a career in law if I thought all laws were completely arbitrary and just the will of stronger men. 10:16 AM

My goal in law is to defend the common man from tyrannical abuses of power. Not to serve some make believe higher authority. The law is nebulous, it cannot be defended or served. I hate when people call themselves servants of the law 10:41 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader same! 11:58 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader unfortunately, taking your presumption for granted law is only tyrannical abuses of power. laws are merely the expression of another will, be it the political community or a demagogue but either way its a tyrant. You'd need to be a strict anarchist to be consist. Even a speed limit is an arbitrar expression of some 1:12 PM

other will. And if its not, if it serves a good, then you have to define that good. And either that definition is metaphysical or the very concept of good is an expression of another arbitrary will. 1:14 PM

which by definition means that all laws are an expression of tyrannical will. If you're being consistent. 1:16 PM

Holy low ROI 1:45 PM

We have a social contract with each other determined by shares common values and societal norms, the law exists purely to uphold that social contract, anything beyond that is tyrannical 3:42 PM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader A SECOND PLANE HAS HIT THE MCR BUILDING 4:41 PM

I love this. LSD chat history repeating itself. @TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader look up blade runner deleted Gaff scene. "I spit on metaphysics." Adds another dimension to the movie. 5:12 PM

is november too late to take the lsat and apply for 2026 lsat 5:20 PM

cycle lol 5:20 PM

not really 5:37 PM

hi all, college sophomore going to UGA here 4:54 PM

do yall have any recommendations for internships that i should pursue while getting my undergrad 4:54 PM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader look at the ABA 509 form for pace part time 25th percentile is 149 and 75th percentile is a 3.77 im going to get in lol 9:34 PM

also i have no preference whether its part time or full time 9:35 PM

so long as i get into a school thats aba accredited idc ill do what i have to do financially. 9:35 PM

i have an lsat addendum, this was a rough year and i was dealing with a lot of stuff at home. 9:36 PM

Almost 50% of students at Pace lose their conditional scholarships 10:12 PM

be prepared for that to be you 10:13 PM

Look, I know CRS recruitment emails are automated, but it still feels nice for Yale to call me a compelling applicant 6:46 PM

I have a 167 and a 3.86 and I want to get into a T14 (ideally GULC) regardless of financials. My highest PT is a 171, should I retake the LSAT this cycle? or just apply with what I have and see where I land? 6:48 PM

If you really want to go there, you can always ED but don't expect money. If you can get a higher PT like 176 then I would consider applying but a 167 isn't far off from a 171. Need a degree of +/- 5. High GPA helps. You had a good shot of getting into at least 1 T14 with that GPA last cycle. Still a gamble though. If you really want to get in, 7:51 PM

Yeah raise your LSAT but that's a personal choice. Could risk it. I would try and get a practice test of 176 though so even if you do bad you might get that -5 down to 171. Wouldn't really bother taking again if you can't at least get a 173/174 as your highest PT. 7:52 PM

anyone know how negatively a termination from a part time job ~ 3 and a half years ago for pushing someone that spit on me would affect my applications? 9:06 PM

If you didn't get charged it doesn't mean anything. We would have to know more details. 9:41 PM

Should I retake the LSAT with a 173? 2.72 GPA (former dropout), my degree GPA is 3.3, aiming for NYC T-14 10:24 PM

Hey DK 11:02 PM

Yo everyone. A year ago I took a blind timed diagnostic and got 153, studied for like a week and then fell off completely cuz i wasnt taking the test any time soon. Signed up for november LSAT and took another 'diagnostic' recently and got 164, strong in RC not as much in LR. What's doable score wise? 11:28 PM

(looking for strong 70+% scholarship to a midtier school in my dreams, 3.8-3.9ish GPA we'll see how my senior year goes) 11:29 PM

I forgot to tell you guys about my latest pt score: 157!! It's not much but it's honest work. 9:47 AM

Soooo once I get all of my applications out, am I supposed to just chill for months waiting to hear back? Also why do law schools open applications Sept. 1 if they aren't going to be sending out any decisions until december? 11:50 AM

I'm going to make a smart guess and say that admissions need time to go over ALL of the hundreds and thousands of apps they get :) 1:44 PM

pretty much yeah. also they hate us 1:45 PM

hopefully i dont get screwed over applying in november once i get my scores back 1:45 PM

Id say before Thanksgiving is the best bet. Most KJDs will be applying around Christmas when home on break, so its best to be ahead of that 2:53 PM

understood 3:14 PM

thank u 3:16 PM

@1a2b3c4d26z Hello there! 11:56 PM

What LSAT prep do y'all recommend? I did my diag. with Blueprint, but I want to get some opinions before upgrading for additional PTs. 12:18 PM

I have seen some recs. for LSAT Demon, but not sure on which plan/package would be most beneficial. 12:20 PM

Is a 167 worth applying to Notre Dame? 12:41 PM

@Mudbug954 I used 7sage and would recommend it 1:12 PM

@Bodacious-Space-Babe You miss 100% of shots you don’t take 1:13 PM

I liked LSAT Lab a lot, but I didn't try anything else. 2:02 PM

Did 2 months of LSAT Lab and then a month of Demon. Prefer the demon method but if you like the conditional logic stuff then Lab is a very good deal for what it offers. 2:29 PM

anyone think I have a shot for scholarship at Pepperdine? LSAT 164 and 3.84 GPA T3 softs K-JD 3:51 PM

hey guys, just really quickly, give me your best estimate for a feasible LSAT score with a 151 baseline 5:51 PM

160+ 6:00 PM

High 160s is basically possible for everyone imo given enough time and resources 9:45 PM

breaking into the 170s has a bit more involved 9:46 PM

How long will you be able to study for? 9:48 PM

where should i apply with good job prospects and minimal debt with a 3.98 gpa and a 168 lsat? 10:20 PM

Emory, BC, and Fordham are your best bets for high BL placement and a good scholarship. 11:14 PM

3.64 GPA LSAT 170 T2 soft do i have a shot at Notre Dame 2:03 AM

4.33 GPA LSAT 180 T1 soft do i have a shot at Cooley 8:15 AM

I forgot how toxic looking at this chat is 8:29 AM

@HarmoniousJustifiableGorilla722 that depends fully on your goals/target sectors and geographical areas of employment. If you are set on working in a specific city (especially if that is not Chicago, LA, or NYC), there is almost certainly a regional powerhouse at which you could receive something close to a full ride and access a solid network 8:33 AM

Soooo do we think WashU pushes for 175 this cycle? 10:14 AM

omg havent been here in so long hello everyone 10:38 AM

@seventensplit probably not since USNWR doesn’t factor in medians as much anymore 10:42 AM

@FourthWaveEmo which version did you go with for LSAT Demon? Trying to decide if the extra $100/month is worth "premium". 10:58 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader @yo Thank you for your input! 10:59 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader Did you use the core version or did you find that "live" was worth it? 11:00 AM

is 171 4.1 HYS possible with good softs 11:40 AM

Hello eveyone 12:34 PM

@Mudbug954 I had a fee waiver that included live but I only went to like 2 classes. If you’re past the beginner stage I wouldn’t bother, the core curriculum is enough 12:54 PM

Wondering if anyone has ideas on how to get fee-waivers when you don't qualify for a general one. I've been sent a bunch, but still missing several schools on my list like UNC, UVA, and Vanderbilt 3:48 PM

Sometimes there is a form on the website, otherwise you email and ask 3:53 PM

Thanks 4:03 PM

@Mudbug954 I did the basic subscription at $95. Didn't feel like I needed the classes or anything though that's up to you. Just wanted access to the algorithm. FWIW I started really using the demon when I was scoring 164-170 on PTs (Diaged 158). Ended up with an official 172. 5:15 PM

i have a 2.3 gpa and got a 148 lsat score. I am retaking the lsat saturday and have been scoring on average 155 5:28 PM

am i chalked 5:28 PM

Thoughts? 5:31 PM

Nah just do better on the lsat 5:50 PM

maybe hire a chinese company or mike ross 8:02 PM

With a 3.1 gpa from a very well regarded lib arts school what lsat would I need to get into a top school 1:20 AM

i mean a 3.1 is gonna be hard too overcome no matter what lsat you have, your softs and essays are going to matter a lot 8:11 AM

A couple of website gripes: people misentering the cycle they have applied, so looking at charts now I'm seeing some applicants from last year. Second gripe, people putting things like interview date or complete date as something like 6/9/1969. When you go to make a chart, it compresses the Y axis due to those hooligans. 11:03 AM

Were I the developer of this site: I would just do some filtering on the front end. A date before Sept 1 of the current cycle just gets cut. 11:05 AM

Third gripe: charts on mobile--impossible to hover over a data point. Maybe first click to bring up the tooltip, second click to go to profile? Idk what library yall are using for the charts, but should be easy enough to hook into it 11:07 AM

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader Perfect! I know I'm beyond the beginner stage, so your input is really helpful! 12:57 PM

@FourthWaveEmo That sounds like the perfect placement to get what I need out of LSAT practice. My diag. was a 165, so I really need something that will push me at least to that 172-175 range. 12:58 PM

3.4 biomedical engineering and CS degrees from duke 2 gap years most likely 175 lsat is it worth applying t14? really want to go either columbia, nyu, or northwestern 3:37 PM

never self select out 4:12 PM

you miss 100% of shots you dont take 4:12 PM

would i get into a t14 tho lol really would depend on softs and stuff since im a splitter 5:40 PM

chiblee, chiblee. Im never getting into the t14 chiblee. they threw my application out the window chiblee. it was in a black trash bag chiblee. im gonna go on the roof chiblee. they cant stop me. im gonna go on the roof and throw myself off chiblee 7:29 PM

nl in MY LSD chat? 9:03 PM

@crazyeight1700 I think you have a very very solid chance of getting into a T12. Esp since ur a stem major, I think you being a splitter will be taken with a grain of salt. Plus u come from a strong undergrad institution and have a high LSAT 12:17 AM

**T14 12:17 AM

@seventensplit thank you for your feedback <3 3:48 PM

Y’all seen The Verdict? Im only like 10 minutes in but Paul Newmans character is #LawyerGoals. Raging alcoholic who goes to funerals to get clients? Do you think I should make that my Why Law? 7:52 PM

lol coming back to this place as a 2L is a trip, gl guys it'll be alright 8:16 PM

I started apps last April but didn't get into anything because I was late cycle; PLUS loans were going to be my funding, but that got cut off. Everything I'm not R from starts too late. I'm 16high 3.verylow. I have to do part time hybrid or online because I need to work where I am. Is there any point in trying to get a full ride or close at PT 8:35 PM

I was thinking I might make efforts to position myself better and try again later. 8:36 PM

Or try for scholarships...I don't know. 8:42 PM

I really don't know much at all about part time programs/online, just make sure you do your due diligence about employment outcomes at those schools. From my understanding, the best way to get a job is to summer there as a 2L and IDK what that looks like at an online/part time program. Bottom line, never plan on being the exception to a general rul 1:48 PM

Like, yes, there are people who do things like that and have great outcomes, but keep your expectations in line with the average outcome 1:48 PM

i know circumstances don’t allow it for some people, but i would recommend quitting your job and doing a full time program 2:39 PM

Thank you. It might make sense for me to try to adjust circumstances toward a full time possibility. It does also seem like those get heavily funded more often. 5:39 PM

Yes, better scholarships and better job outcomes make full time worth it for most everyone. Plus, law school is a lot of work, hard to juggle that and fulltime employment 8:23 PM

I wish schools would just admit me without actually having to apply 1:29 PM

like lets all just save ourselves some time 1:29 PM

@devs any chance you'd let me make a pull request? lol. fixed my gripes 6:26 PM

@seventensplit Your request is one of the first ones in the bug tracker. Once I finish with what I am currently doing, we will take care of it. 8:04 PM

Hey guys Im trying to get my apps finished by end of this month / October. Im in state for FSU and have 4 years WE at a law firm. I am under the 25% for GPA, but I have a 162 LSAT. Advice?? 9:58 AM

Looking at the stats youre gonna have a hard time getting in. Is it too late to retake in November? If you already have a full time job you could delay a cycle and put more work into the LSAT 10:50 AM

^^ I agree. It's not impossible but you want at least one of your stats to be at or above median for a more solid chance. 11:15 AM

Yeah I work full time, I jsut really dont want to delay because I decided not to apply last year and Im ready to get started now. I supposed I could submit my apps asap then retake lsat and send it into schools? 11:35 AM

It's not too late to register for Nov., the deadline is the 25th. Hmmm 11:36 AM

The last lsat I took was the last lsat offered with games. 11:36 AM

I took a short 3 section pt with just RC and LR and still did very well. Maybe it would be worth it, and study for the next month and half? 11:40 AM

Why do you have to apply now? imo just take the year and get a high lsat score, then get a good scholarship to a good school rather than risking it to pay sticker at a mid tier regional school 11:54 AM

Bc I recently turned 28 and I have been working for 4 years and am eager to start law school 12:08 PM

Hey! I have a question and would love to hear everyone's thoughts. I got a 149 on the LSAT, and my GPA is a 3.85, I am looking at schools like cleveland state or case western, should I retake the LSAT 12:12 PM

yes 12:29 PM

ABCCarrot was here last year too. 2:08 PM

hello my chat 3:02 PM

and yes retake 3:02 PM

@LawCarrot i work full-time as well, have been for 3 years. i'm an r&r planning to take november. i've been studying and have noticed a significant difference in scores since my 163!!! def take time and apply immediately after you get your score 3:04 PM

envious of my friends whose parents let them quit their jobs to study for the lsat/mcat 3:05 PM

you just gotta have a depressive meltdown until their forced to let you stay with them so you dont get [CENSORED], then get treated and rekindle your desire to go to law school 5:29 PM

I scored a 169 on a practice LSAT before studying but my GPA is 3.1, how cooked am I chat 9:18 PM

if its 3.1 in STEM and/or youve been out of school for 5+ years you arent that cooked 9:20 PM

otherwise youre pretty cooked 9:20 PM

5+ years out, decent softs, and until April to study my way to a better score 9:29 PM

Youre applying to enter in Fall 2027? You’re probably fine, though god knows what admissions will be like next year 9:48 PM

Yeah. I'm using 7sage until then to get my LSAT to my target 175. I went -0 on RC on my diagnostic, so I'm just focusing on perfecting LR 11:49 PM

hey all- I am a former NYC school teacher who is applying for law school this year. One of my softs is getting accepted to a nonprofit fellowship that accepts top math/science teachers and gives them a large scholarship over 4 years. Would that qualify more as a T2 or T3 soft? Thanks for the help 11:43 AM

softs are made up 11:59 AM

I wouldn't use softs to gauge my chances somewhere. Just know whether you have strong or weak softs and try to make them as strong as possible to give you an advantage at reach schools. Don't ruminate on how much each thing helps. 12:21 PM

thanks 12:26 PM

what percent of first year law students are KJD? I want to know how much of an outlier ill be lol 1:36 PM

Im also graduating undergrad 2 years early so im like unusually young for law school. is it gonna be awk 1:37 PM

or do people not really care since everyone goes to law school at different ages 1:39 PM

Yeah youre gonna have a rough time fitting it ngl 2:19 PM

Especially since youre not old enough to drink 2:20 PM

a lot of socializing happens at bar review 2:20 PM

oop okay! 4:18 PM

how do people even have time to go out in law school? i was told id have no free time 4:20 PM

I can't drink, so I'm concerned about my socializing. I see a lot of events are cocktail hours. I can go to bars, but people think you're weird if you're not imbibing. I supposed I could just recruit the bartender in a ruse. 4:24 PM

Whelp, I just applied to my first 2 schools... 5:49 PM

I don't thing I will get into one of those, but I think I will get into the other 5:51 PM

is UCLA considered a t14 8:44 PM

no 9:59 AM

technically t14s are the 14 schools that have made top 10 in the rankings 10:00 AM

not the top 14 ranked schools 10:00 AM

@yo Club Soda and Lime is the classic “I don’t drink but don’t want people to ask me why I’m not drinking” drink 10:01 AM

T14 technically just refers to the US News rankings which used to be far more stable. So nowadays, the 10-14 change year to year. Many still consider Cornell to be T14 because it was there for so long, but dropped to 18 this year. Anyway, UCLA is definitely T14, it’s made the top 14 for at least the last 3-4 years straight. 12:47 PM

There is a prestige and acceptance rate different between the top core T14 (Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Chicago, Penn).. and those more on the margin (Vanderbilt, Georgetown, Wash U, etc) 12:49 PM

UCLA is not a t14, neither is vandy or wash u 1:56 PM

it doesn’t matter if they make the top 14 schools on usnwr 1:56 PM

they have to make top10 1:56 PM

and if a new school makes top 10 it will become t15 1:56 PM

ucla is not t14 lol 6:25 AM

stopjust making **** up 6:25 AM

its a good school but yeah its not t14 the current rankings are useless, if they put umn tied for 14 does it magically become a t14? 6:26 AM

usnwr benefits shifting the rankings every few years, harvard at #6 was complete bs but a news story 6:26 AM

the ranking is useless look at actual outcomes and you'd realize ucla ut austin washu all are inferior to even georgetown 6:27 AM

also look at peer reputation scores and lawyer/judge reputation score 6:27 AM

ATL rankings prioritize outcomes and put Vanderbilt in the top 10.. above Harvard. 9:46 AM

NYU and Georgetown don’t even make the ATL top 14 9:47 AM

Vandy has good midwest/east firm outcomes but doesn’t place as well in NYC/DC/Cali biglaw. A lot of NYU grads end up in PI and a lot of georgetown grads end up in government 3:50 PM

its hard to use BL employment as a metric since a lot of the top schools don’t produce grads that go to biglaw 3:50 PM

1000% agree, but that's also why "T14" isn't as clear cut as it used to be 5:20 PM

Fed Clerk ranking is all that matters. 10:01 PM

the problem with using FC rates as a sole metric is that its very region/politics dependent. 9:55 AM

Like University of New Mexico has more grads in federal clerkships than Northwestern but I don’t think anyone would argue its better than Northwestern 9:56 AM

Anyone want to proof read my PS 9:59 AM

No 9:59 AM

Thanks for sharing, you are heard (kisses you) 10:01 AM

this might be a dumb question, but how do I add my interview date to my status tracker? 10:52 AM

nvmd 10:53 AM

does anyone know why the acceptance lists are bugged? 12:05 PM

Just shows you can’t use any single factor to “rank” law schools… plus, the rankings dont mean much in the real world. Depending on career plans and geographic preferences, your personal top law schools can be very different than the “list.” If you want big law versus public interest versus clerkship versus criminal law, 1:13 PM

Your “top law schools”. Will vary significantly. 1:13 PM

When is the latest you can apply with still considered being "early" 2:17 PM

Thanksgiving is what most adcoms will say 4:11 PM

Someone mind looking at my profile and let me know what schools im missing? Im considering applying to WashU, and Georgetown but I dont know if its worth the app fee 4:29 PM

Also thought about texas but its feels like out of state applicants with my stats have a really tough time getting in so idk. 4:29 PM

I personally dislike northwestern with a passion so I would argue U New Mexico is better. I only like maybe 5 of the T14's. 8:41 PM

UVA, Duke, Michigan, UCLA, GTown. I really only like those ones. 8:43 PM

around what time will most schools start handing out offers? November and December? 9:43 AM

or will some do earlier 9:44 AM

A few will get back to you in a couple weeks, some will have waves in Late November or December, most will wait til January-March 10:41 AM

Big muzzy 11:18 AM

what are my odds for UNT Dallas with 154 LSAT and 3.78 gpa 11:31 AM

50/50 11:34 AM

you either get in or you dont 11:34 AM

anyone take the september lsat? what did you think re difficulty compared to past PTs or actual LSATs you've taken? 2:02 PM

Where should I apply with a 3.9 170 3:30 PM

@AbsorbingEPlatypus I thought it was noticeably more difficult. I have a 169 official and best PT is 175. What did you think? 3:35 PM

how's everyone doing 3:59 PM

Not bad 4:17 PM

Saw people talking earlier about what qualifies a school as T14. Is there a list somewhere of what people consider current "true" T14s if not the latest US news ranking? 4:18 PM

Found this T14 list on an LSD article: Yale, Stanford, Harvard, UChicago, Columbia, NYU, UPenn, UVA, UC Berkeley, UMich, Duke, Cornell, Northwestern, and Georgetown. Is this still agreed upon? 4:44 PM

Big Muzzy 4:58 PM

got an admissions question if anyone can help 5:07 PM

This chat seems mostly to be blind leading the blind. So just ask away 6:03 PM

@AbrasiveFadedMammoth the T14 list has changed so that is not the recent ranking. As you mentioned US news has the current ranking. 5:22 AM

Not to be rude. But if someone else asks where they should go with 170 or 170+ with high GPA, maybe reconsider law school. I think It is pretty obvious you have a chance at most schools. As in more than half as in at least 98 or 99 out of all schools. 🙄 (depending on the rest of your application of course) 5:27 AM

People looking for validation 6:23 AM

im a doctor of pharmacy grad, (0-6 year program), my gpa for undergrad is technically 3.23 but it accounts for the pharmacy classes, if only undergradute level courses it would be 3.5. Do you think law shcool will take into account? 9:49 AM

For GPA, the difficulty of program, school curve, etc, are essentially sorts that may be considered. A law school may love rounding out their class with a doctor of pharmacy, which isn’t common entry into law school. But, for their rankings and prestige, law schools value a high median GPA— meaning they want at least half their class to have 10:00 AM

The highest GPA possible. Their rankings are better served by someone who has a 4.0 with easy classes, than a chemical engineer with a 3.2 GPA. 10:01 AM

*essentially softs 10:01 AM

should i still submit the optional essays for a school if im above their median LSAT and GPA? Would they even look at the essays or are they a waste of time 11:29 AM

Always submit the optional. Being above medians does not guarantee admission. Plus there is scholarship consideration 12:26 PM

@St-Thomas-More I have a 169 official from Feb and highest PT was a 173. I'm really not sure; I thought the first two sections were great but the second two could have gone either way. Good luck :) 12:48 PM

Is it better to submit the max number of Letters of rec or just the minimum? 4:49 PM

Every adcom ive heard from has said just 2 is best, 3 maybe if it can actually add materially to your app, but if you have 2 good ones youre good 8:19 PM

and they should both be from professors who know you and your work well unless youre like 8+ years out of college, then you can get away with 1 professional reference 8:20 PM

Hey guys, current 2L at Notre Dame, feel free to ask me anything about the school 10:28 AM

So I got waitlisted at my top choice last year and decided to reapply. My lsat went from 162 to 167 this year and I felt good about admission. After attending an info session, however, admissions said that they are looking to raise their median again from a 166 to a 168?? Does this hurt my chances? Are these official numbers or figures? 11:10 AM

jesus christ wtf kinda adcom is just straight up talking about wanting to raise their medians in an info session 12:54 PM

@VibrantConstitutionalPuffin678 what was your LSAT/GPA/scholarship? How do you like Notre dame? 5:32 PM