Bloomington is a great college town, not depressing at all. ~ undergrad

does anyone have any good articles or whatever to read about super splitters or is it just basically a coin flip if you're above the 75th in lsat and below the 25th in gpa

173/3.4ish if it matters

Going to be a coinflip if going for T14's no matter your LSAT if you got a 3.4. Would be like guaranteed with a 3.8 and up.

3.4 you are done at a bunch of T14's too. Not even a coinflip at that point. Like a 1% at that point.

Chances kind of end at UCLA and Michigan. Then you gotta go T20's/30's/40's.

I don't want to live in st louis :(

@SpecialCrowdedElemental i got into michigan and nw with similar stats

hello all

looks like the same names are still here

whos excited for another cycle!!

I am not!

@PoisedDevilishChicken sry i didn't see ur message. this is really smart. i will do this

has anyone applied and know how letters of recommendation work?

I have yet to apply but I am 99% sure that you ask your recommenders, they say yes, you send them a link and they submit the letters via the link or something like that

yeah but like do they need to write more than 1/1 for each school or like what do people mean by "have letters in by august" considering applications arent open til september

or like can i see once people submit the letters so that i can ensure i can remind those who forget

Yes through the LSAC website you’ll enter your recommenders information & it emails them a link to upload. Funny enough one of my recommenders was so old school & also lived out of state at the time that I had to mail him a letter with also the confirmation document to sign and then sent it to the LSAC headquarters themselves. Took about 2

Weeks

that sounds awful lmao

nope they write one letter for all ur apps. you should have everything ready to go before you apply

now that i think about: mine are kind of out of date

It was at the time lol just bc I was crunching to apply as early as possible. At least the digital is instant

perfff thanks!

YLS releasing everyone from waitlist

i think i'm gonna be the token oldhead in this chat next cycle

too addicted to chatting

yall think i got a chance at a t6 with a 179 and a 3.53 perhaps

no, try cooley

@OddWrongBasilisk Yeah if you are black or african american, totally.

If you got the N word pass like me brotha, you are good to go.

does lsat or gpa matter more

on the app, theyre gonna ask "do u have the n word pass" and if you say no, you get auto rejected

I'm waiting on 3 decisions. Schools literally admit people during orientation week.

lsat

just had my second interview at sidley

them: did you want to go to law school

me, an r&r: hahah ummm <3

my interviewers both had jds and one had an MBA on top of that....holy intelligence

@KeenJustifiableHawk454 i would say the lsat carries more weight overall

especially because everyone has such different undergrad backgrounds, gpa is definitely important but the lsat is ultimately the bigger of the two

Hey guys, so I’m a massive fucking bonehead that missed the registration for the proctor, and I can’t reschedule till October. I’m currently sitting at a 163 but with a 3 low gpa, should I wait to submit after a retake or try and rock rolling admissions. My best PT since the test was a 168 so I feel like I can do well

ouch mitch. You can't reschedule til October exam or reschedule at all until after october?

til the october exam i believe

september window already closed, and im gonna call LSAC tomorrow hoping law jesus takes the wheel but yeahhh

with your desired schools, it would be better to wait.

you can always submit the rest of your application and they'll wait to review it til that lsat score comes through if you're registered

but for those schools (assuming you don't have other leg up in your application) you need to get your score up

aight bet

if its worth anything i lowkey just selected those when i didn't know what i was doing and my actual list is much more reasonable lmao

lmao very very fair. if you sit less than at the median for those schools in either way and have gotten that 168 more than on one PT and feel truly confident, then yes 100%. But

but, if otherwise you've scored 163 on every PT you've taken and are already at the half, its more a coin flip.

the 163 was an actual one, the 168 was a pt i took last week

most of them have been in the mid 160s tho

wait it didnt send but the 163 was the april test, and the 168 was just a pt from last week

i lowkey just have no idea how this process works and idk if one month would be a crazy deal breaker early on in rolling admissions

i wanna say im above median/the 75th percent at most of the ones i wanna apply at

haha i understand. So LSAT specifically says anyone can range 3 points on any given test. A 168 is outside of that "the test has range".

my gpa is ass though

so you think retake?

so my point is the "if you are truly testing on multiple occasions outside of that range" then you truly are improving and waiting is worth it guaranteed. if you are aiming for schools where their 25 percentile is your present score, you need to retake

even 1 point can be worth retaking it

7sage has a beautiful free podcast about that called to retake or not

youre a glorious king i appreciate you so much

ive been tripping balls the entire night because of the scheduling ****

My TLDR is: It depends. My gut would retake. But i also don't know well enough what your actual goals are

dude so f real. the average point is worth (they estimate) about 10k. so thats why i say if you're really doing that 1 point above seen through being outside the range, retake.

thank you so much

yeah ive ptd multiple mid-high 160s since my first test so i think im just gonna grind it out and try to get my score up

prolly gonna help a lot as a splitter

even though im not exactly shooting for the moon

lmao yea getting it up, good essays, pretty letters of recommendation.

if you're in uni still, you could potentially even get your gpa up

yall are actually the best ive got a year left and they're basically just gen eds i need to finish up so im hoping to raise it to around 3.3

yea then def so everything is at its optimal (its all keen, i just realized i somehow got stuck w a boys name originally)

bro i was tripping for a second i checked ur profile and was like WAIT thats the same tagline as the other guy

nyquil really hinders critical thinking i reckon

i mean.. its a damn good tagline so that dude would have good taste

I was literally sitting here in disbelief like theres really no such thing as an original thought

then i saw the same LSAT and did that like looney tunes eye buggin reaction

my roommate def has a flag of your catch phrase tho. cant decide which would be worse

i felt like it was a fitting one to add for the guy who just missed his test registration

really ironic to spend hours a day studying just to do that bruh

dude this creepin on randos feature freaks me out cuz some these people have crazy stats and still get rejected

..it certainly is ironic but also shows the hyperfocus on one goal

yeah im like what do you mean this guy has a 173 and a 4.0 GPA and has a medal of honor and cured cancer. Oh waitlisted at Stanford

hyperfocus is definitely one way to put it

i got caught up in the cheddar and forgot about the trap

And then the next rando had a 150 in 2012 but got accepted to stanford. how the times have changed

lemme see how i get

your way is less kind, i tried to give the generous phrasing

ya know i appreciate that

but sometimes you just gotta put the fries in the bag

like how does this guy with a 177 and a 3.86 WITH work experience in the legal field get rejected/waitlisted

insane work

It makes me so worried about character and fitness issues

do you have any?

if you do, its you cant help it now, it could be part of your past but that's not the same person doing what you're doing now

i dont know

sorta?

i feel like if you're honest about that though that's all you can do

like they should see the person in front of them and know they're different than some thing on a paper from however long ago

i went to pick up a student from a party after they had chaos. university busted the party in the 5 minutes i was there and accused me of like 7 different things. had hearing with student conduct. conduct found me not-guilty

i would definitely be the one getting busted

you were found not guilty though so i dont see an issue here

as long as you're candid about it if they ask

the uni said "would normally not ever be reported since you were found not responsible for all charges. So, you technically have no history of misconduct to report. However, some Law schools are more thorough and stricter in their process of gathering disciplinary information"

interesting

so idk. potentially. potentially not.

youd think since there wasn't any actual discipline to come from it though, you needn't worry

were you like a TA or something?

i worked in the SA clinic on campus. girl was having a PTSD episode and the hosts knew i was able to handle it and get her home safe.

so they called me asking me to take care of her. then f**** a**hats then shot fireworks outta the window.

youd think, i just worry

bro holy **** lmao

my school had some dumb **** but not like that

although some dudes threw a couch out a window one time

Top 3 nationally ranked party school, what can i say

..thats def worse than fireworks

i feel like that list could be a little off

saw no mention of mine

i mean... not bad to not have that reputation tho

oh its got a reputation thats bad enough, so i was hoping wed have something going for us

haha at least its known for something. whats that line famous people say "any attention is good attention"

oh its known for something alright

a very esteemed university of higher education, the "harvard of the south" if you will

lmaoo

ASU mention?

Me and Breslin were always hanging on the quad at the harvard of the southwest

https://www.spiveyconsulting.com/blog-post/bill-treanor-podcast

the dean of gulc saying the economy is good is so fucking rich

almost makes me not want to apply

It probably is good for him. Olds loot and replace the young is how it works now

line go up , culture go down

yeah I toured gulc and the impression I got was just churn and burn students for big law, very little culture despite the rich history

did the interface change again or am i crazy

the dean of gulc needs to be

actually i will not say that

@vivian2828 literally do not worry about that. you were part of an organization that was helping people, and anyone with a brain would understand the situation.

also, FERPA

the september window closed? was i under a rock?

i might be an idiot

omg it closed like last month im pretty sure

oh wow

mhm

october it is then

kinda f'd up cus i took it the first time in oct '23. what if my score is worse in oct '25. im gonna go shake ass at a club

@badhorrormovie thank you kind soul! i definitely overthink tf outta all this

@vivian2828 i FEEL YOU!!! i promise you have nothing to worry about though. once you're in a school, speak to an advisor who is familiar about the bar character and fitness and your story!! that'll probably help ease your worries a little :)

@NosyBeagle OOMF NOOOOOOOOO

i believe in u

october 2025 will be ur *****

female dog

I am scheduled to retake in Oct, pending whether practice shows I can do better. Would like to break 170

also doing the october retake!!! let's get this BREAD

@badhorrormovie ty

i am stressing now cus i might not have a job in a few weeks

-3 timed/-2 BR on PT155 S4

ima fucking fail

just give me the 120 at this point

dont give up

the test is meant to range. most people range -/+3 points. thats not a drop so don't worry, its just test range. you've got it!

didn't get the sidley job should i end my **** be honest

nah

considering it

two rounds of interviews

i have a mayer brown interview coming up but im clenching my ass

you should have bitten your interviewer

Can I get into a law school in NY/NJ with a 3.83 UGPA and a 148 LSAT

and then ordered a $2,000 bottle of wine

maybe they would like me more

@ElegantPrincipledMongoose719 imma be real my friend, lsat score needs to be higher

great gpa!!! but any school that lets you in with a 148 is not a school you want to go to

genuinely do not think i can get it any higher

I am looking at new york law school

I am an eagle scout, have made deanslist every semester, and have good LOR's

i dont know what more to do, slit my wrists for these people?

and ive done 2 years as an intern for a nj superior court judge what more

(thank u for responding btw much appreciated)

omg oomf do not die

hey at the end of the day you won't know unless you apply!

how many times have you taken the lsat & how were you studying for it?

This is my third time taking the lsat

if you can explain/demonstrate why your lsat score is not indicative of your academic potential then maybe. But your LSAT score is the greatest indicator of your 1L gpa so you should be prepared to be in the bottom 50% of your class at whatever school you attend. So temper your expectations for grad outcomes.

the first time i cancelled it (142) and the second time i took it and kept the score (148)

im fine being in the bottom

the biggest piece of advice anyone would give you is to retake the lsat

im really not tryna be the top top i have no expectations of big law

is whatever you want to do worth being $300k in debt for?

as long as i get in somewhere and am able to practice family law/ real estate law at the end of the day lol

fortunately i am in a circumstance where i do not have to worry about debt

ah cool yeah go wherever and go get that VP position at your daddys company

no

ive been saving lol

@badhorrormovie 3x (august will be my third n final attempt)

you have $300k in cash? just become a day trader lol

ive been told not to do it bc its taxable

my friends all do it

and im like whats the point of doing it if you have to be behind your device 24/7 and its taxable

also no i was capping about the 300k but i am blessed to be in a position where i was given good scholarships undergraduate so i have money laying around for LS. finances aside, im not looking at t-14.

im looking at pace law and they have a 149 lsat for their part time program. i have been interested in that program but since my lsat is one short of what they require there idk if i should think about it.

being a splitter candidate truly sucks

so i work in family law rn and i will tell you - most family law firms are really small and so they dont care about rank like at all.

so for example, one of our named senior partners is a rank 150 school

so if your goal is family law, (at least at my firm) whatever school takes you and apply to ones that are realistic

yep i knew this lol

attorneys be walking into the chambers and asking the clerk if anyone needs a job

you have a good enough background where you should be able to get into schools where you're at the 25% for the gpa. at least that would be my expect

im like damn if only i had my JD to say yes

exactly that is what i am thinking too

but idk how much to read into the stats

like the 3.83 has got to be worth something i didnt kill myself 3 years at this school for nothing

(entering my 4th year currently)

the stats are a big deal to schools - remember rankings are decided significant by incoming class ranks. so they dont want to risk their ranking going down

try to not apply late in the cycle tryna ensure taking advantage of rolling admission

im applying as soon as deadline opens

is your lsac gpa also a 3.83?

yes i only have one withdrawal and i have stayed at this institution for my entire UG career

and the withdrawal was a not fail

it was for health reasons i had to get my appendix removed lol

there are some programs (even chat gpt) that are good at giving you rough estimates of what your admission chance would be to each of the schools

i have used chatgpt

yeah then you're not in an awful place

you'll be good

thank you for the positivity

my worst fear is getting rejected from every school

apply to 1 youre overqualified for then

always have a safety

a reach and target school...

i do im just tryna stay in the NY/NJ/PA metro area

my pre-law advisor is a nincompoop and was useless thruout this process

saturated but possible

you dont need him there are more efficient ways of compling data to understandable information

for context, she told me not to negotiate with law schools for prices.

just so u understand where i am coming from here lol

she is foolish law schools will look at how you act since before day 1 of acceptance

negiotating is a prime skill lawyers need to have idk what she on about...

exactly lol

i was telling my friend that her rhetoric was lowkey predatory and dangerous

just get ur lsat up apply to 3 reach, 2 target, and 2 schools youre overqualified

how many schools should one apply to

i can post my list

shouldnt be too hard bc there is a large market for lawyers in east coast so there are many schools. mabye not as selective as you want but apply

im applying to at least 7 taking lsat tomorrow and another in in october

Notre dame columbia St Johns Villanova Seton Hall rutgers New york law school nyu Touro Pace fordham among many others

Brooklyn Law School City University of New York School of Law Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law, Yeshiva University Columbia University School of Law Fordham University School of Law New York Law School New York University School of Law Notre Dame Law School Pace University--Elisabeth Haub School of Law Quinnipiac University School of Law Rutgers

im taking lsat tomorrow as well

im attmepting to stay in california so for me reach schools--UCLA,USC,UCB. Target schools--UCI,SCU,USD,pepperdine,. safeties--chapman,southwestern

yessir love to hear it thats a solid list

im thinking of putting in apps for new england university

its a solid list but idk if i can get into any of them lmao

might get too pricey depending on how the cost of application is but thats a good range

we got this my friend

and all the persoanl stateemnts for them are done

bro dont get me started on CAS + the application costs

its crazy

YOU TAKE THE TEST TOMORROW??? if you take the lsat tomorrow, today is not the day to stress about what happens if you get a bad score! get hyped and feeling ready for the test and like put positive energy in then!

the cas + application cost has my wallet crying

not tomorrow friday*

**** today is wednesday. now i'm sad.

even my urologist was like bro this shits a scam

ha. theres a pun there. sorta.

im taing it tomorrow

tricking myself into manifesting a 180

yes

tomorrow ima retake the pt i got a 180 on as a confidence boost

you got a what on a pt

wow

thats wild congratulations

mods I know the redesign is new

but it is so fucked up

like advertisements showing up in the middle of elements with text you are supposed to read

the dropdown for searching universities on the "chance me" page being underneath the gpa/lsat input boxes so its unreadable

@MightyUnableSphinx open a ticket and screenshot and send photos: v

https://lsd.law/feedback?status=open

any update for asu

currently on WL

yeah sorry all the adcoms are kicking it on the quad wto honor the life of Breslyn may he rest in peace

@MightyUnableSphinx what page are you having problems with for the ads? Where is the ad located/what text is blocked? Are you on desktop or mobile?

hearing a lot of mixed things, is applying November/December fine or should i just not apply at that point (3.74/waiting for LSAT score)

yeah, it depends a lot on individual people

it depends what your goal is - scholarship to a t14, you wanna be earlier into cycle. to get into a school you're fully on par with and not particularly caring about scholarship, being even in February wouldnt be awful

I am just below the median LSAT for FSU, and I'm in state. I am below median GPA, but I have 4 years WE at a litigation law firm. Do I need to retake the lsat again? Or should I apply with stats now?

@ririri03 November/December is usually considered “on time”

wont help you but probably won’t hurt you either

@LawCarrot If youre over 25th percentlile you’re probably fine depending on other soft factors like your essays and prior education/work history

@TylerDurdenxTravisBicklexReader That makes sense, I'm working on my essays and plan on doing an academic addendum as well. I am also planning to try and apply early to help my case

The median is 165, the 25th % is 158. I have a 162.

I am below the 25th % for gpa though, but thats why Im writing an addendum

@LawCarrot fsu has a hardon for lsat so i would retake

Anyone else waiting on admissions results 1-2 weeks prior to classes starting ? Orientation is in 4 days , idk what to think or feel.

Apparently people have gotten WL->A the day before classes start lol

**** I met an older guy who started at UVA 5 days into the semester cause someone dropped out

Yeah I wonder, I have a few acceptances I’ve put deposits down so I have a peace of mind i’m attending in just not sure where yet. My fear is moving and then getting an A after moving

Cyberpunk

where are you deposited?

have yall tried calling the school yet? idk which schools at, but ik one of my friends called a school she was waitlisted at and they said "if youre still on the waitlist now, you're not getting in. at this point its basically our rejected one"

lsat day

ima make this test my *****

lsac better watch out